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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. Staines R's

    Staines R's Well-Known Member

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    16 Countries I think
     
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  2. kiwiqpr

    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

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    wheres the outrage
     
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  3. Staines R's

    Staines R's Well-Known Member

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    Totally agree with that one mate.
     
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  4. kiwiqpr

    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

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    Countries that do not accept Israeli passports[edit]
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    Countries (in green) that reject passports from Israel (blue). Countries that reject not only Israeli passports but also any passport which contain Israeli stamps or visas are in dark green.
    Sixteen countries forbid admission to Israeli passport holders:

    1 – Except for Iraqi Kurdistan.
    2 – Clearance permit needed from the Ministry of Home Affairs.
    3 – Accepted for transit only; not allowed for admission.

    In addition, Iran,[31] Kuwait,[32] Lebanon,[33] Libya,[34] Saudi Arabia,[35] Sudan,[36] Syria[37] and Yemen[38] do not allow entry to people with evidence of travel to Israel, or whose passports have either a used or an unused Israeli visa. As a consequence, many countries will allow for a second passport to be issued to citizens wishing to circumvent this restriction although the Israeli immigration services themselves have now mostly ceased to issue entry or exit stamps to foreign nationals.
     
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  5. KooPeeArr

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    According to wikipedia, there are 16 countries that Israeli law considers enemy states and they won't allow citizens to go to them without special permission.

    There are also 16 countries that won't allow admission to Isaeli citizens.

    Apparently the enemy state list was started in 1954 and consisted of 8 countries.

    There's a lot more religion, history and politics behind this than the whim of a newly elected racist US president.
     
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  6. YorkshireHoopster

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    It's what you expect from regimes like the ones listed hence no outrage. It's not what you expect from a country that has a Hollywood vision of itself that it likes to portray to the world and its own citizens that it is the land of the free and of opportunity. The Great American dream is dead.
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  7. ELLERS

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    No outrage but all those hypocrites can demonstrate against Trump's temporary ban. Where were they when Obama put a six-month ban on Iraq? Where were they when the Chinese President or some of those horrid leaders came for a visit? The ones with the worst human rights records.
    Where were they when Obama bombed the Middle east every day of his 10-year presidency?
    Where the demonstrations when Obama kept open the US torture Prisons (again for 10 years).
    Or the fact that the countries with the Trump travel bans were Obama's idea but didn't implement it because of time.
    Why are they not demonstrating against the countries banning Israelis?

    Said before that Trump is a bit of a muppet and doesn't think through these ideas but a lot these protesters are really stupid hypocrites that seriously need to get a life.
     
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    Rubbish again from you. Go do some yoghurt knitting.
     
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    Which bit is rubbish and how. Happy to be corrected if wrong.
     
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  10. ELLERS

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    Your last sentence sums you up.
     
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  11. KooPeeArr

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    Is that the best you can do?
     
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    Not touchy at all! I was merely curious to know how many EU laws we have voted against and did a quick search. Just trying to shed some light after you described someone's misapprehension as a lie. It's not 'my own' source, just one I happened upon. As I have said, my interpretation of the fact revealed (I take it to be a fact, unless you know better) is that 56 occasions out of 2,592 votes is a pretty small number. Your interpretation is that one would be too many. We differ.

    What would be more enlightening, is to know exactly what these 56 laws are and why we voted against. Any idea?
     
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  13. ELLERS

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    You call Trump a racist yet he has actually done less than Obama, so is he a racist as well?
     
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  14. KooPeeArr

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    Are you saying that Trump isn't a racist? Go on, spell it out for a yoghurt knitter like me.
     
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    Trump literally wanted to ban Muslims according to Giuliani.
     
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    Islam is not a race
     
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  17. YorkshireHoopster

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    No it's not, but is discrimination or hatred on grounds of religion different in some way? Or discrimination on grounds of nationality even though it affects religious minorities such as Christians who are citizens of those countries
     
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    I am just saying Obama has done worse than Trump. Yet because many people just dislike Trump, most because media coverage and leftist views, they think he is Satan. Yet as soon as I mention Obama you go quiet? Why is that?
    Answers on a postcard
     
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    I've just signed the e-Petition to allow Donald Trump a state visit. Can't abide the left and their mob rule mentality
     
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    The 2% of laws which Britain voted against is actually a smaller number than for any other EU. state. Implying that Britain got its own way more than any other country.
    Earlier I referred to Britain as having its democratic image tarnished by the Brexit campaign, which drew some responses on here. I should say that this was not because of the result, but rather the manner of the Brexit debate - the lack of real facts, on what should have been the biggest debate in recent history, not to mention the first political murder in modern British history. This was all followed closely by the media in other countries, included the quality (or lack of it) displayed on some Ukip posters. It was also remarked that political leaders normally give the populace a choice between preserving the status quo, on the one hand, and initiating a change which the government wants on the other. As it happened Cameron opened the way for a protest vote which engineered a situation where the government was forced to do something which it didn't want to do, and where there was nobody on the other side with any real plan - this all very definitely tarnished Britain's image abroad.
     
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