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Match Day Thread Liverpool V Wolves FA cup 4th Round

Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by moreinjuredthanowen, Jan 25, 2017.

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What will occur?

Poll closed Jan 28, 2017.
  1. Liverpool Win

    62.5%
  2. Draw

    25.0%
  3. Wolves win

    37.5%
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  1. Page_Moss_Kopite

    Page_Moss_Kopite Well-Known Member

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    Wolves were great today and thoroughly deserved the victory.

    There used to be a club trait back in the day known as "if its not broke don't fix it"

    Klopp has done the latter a few to many times this season.
     
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  2. Page_Moss_Kopite

    Page_Moss_Kopite Well-Known Member

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    Yeah its certainly had an adverse effect on yoonited in the league this season.:)
     
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  3. Diego

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    There is also an old tradition of using different tactics/players for different opposition, Klopp (and Pep) don't seem to have heard of that one.
     
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  4. Diego

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    Nah, I just think our manager made some bad decisions in team selection and tactics plus the finishing has been ****.
    Where do you think you lot are going wrong at the moment, Poor tactics/players, burnt out players due to intensive pre-season and dog chasing balloon tactics, combination of all of these?
     
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  5. Thus Spake Zarathustra

    Thus Spake Zarathustra GC Thread Terminator

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    And BBC Salford too. :emoticon-0121-angry
     
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  6. Lucaaas

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    We are 2 points off 2nd. At this stage last season we were 8 points off 4th.

    Yes, it's been a terrible month and the likes of Sturridge and Origi haven't stepped up as expected in Mane/Coutinho's absence but that's a lesson Klopp will have learnt for next season and this season going forward.

    Let's not act as if our season is a total disaster and that we are ****ed for the rest of it, we still have LOADS to fight for. We are still potentially in the running for the title and are definitely in the running for 2nd place.

    I can't tell you whether we'll pull 10 points back on Chelsea, the fact Conte has won 61 of his last 70 league games means it looks unlikely but winning the champions league from 3-0 down at HT against one of the best ever AC Milan sides with Dudek, Traore, Smicer & Baros in the team was also unlikely. Time and time again Liverpool have defied expectation and the record books to triumph in adversity, I wouldn't be that surprised if we did so again and neither should any Liverpool supporter that has been paying attention.

    Roll on Tuesday under the floodlights at Anfield against the Rentboys.
     
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  7. Lucas Talking

    Lucas Talking Well-Known Member

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    Fair play to Wolves today, they performed wonderfully.

    The Pool need to shake things up at Melwood, as currently training sessions involve defenders practicing against an attack that can't cut through a paper bag. And our attack are practicing against a defense that folds under the merest gust of wind.
    It's like the complete opposite of an immovable object meeting an unstoppable force.

    Either that or traning involves them mimicking a Rocky training montage.
    The one where Rocky chases a chicken!
     
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  8. Lucaaas

    Lucaaas Well-Known Member

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    Pep just told his Barcelona team to go out and play with no coaching or tactics whatsoever, crazy. No idea how he won 3 league titles, 2 Spanish cups & 2 Champions league trophies in 4 years there with such a regressive approach to football.
     
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  9. Diego

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    Don't be so numb, of course he had tactics (or a tactic to be more accurate), and it suited the players he had perfectly.
    The point I was making is that managers need to be capable of changing their preferred style (tactics) when it is plainly not working or the players don't suit it or they have been found out.

    TBH Klopps "tactic" seems very similar to Rodgers and Pep, get the ball to the talented lads up front and hope they score a lot.
    The difference with Pep at Barca (and Bayern) is that he had great midfields behind the attack and very decent defences in case they didn't score a lot.

    Is Mane Klopps version of Suarez? Suarez definitely brought the best out of Sterling and Sturridge for Rodgers, is it Mane that does the same with Coutinho and Firmino for Klopp.
     
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  10. Lucaaas

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    I was agreeing with you. Pep is clueless tactically, he's a one trick pony and has no clue how to adapt to different games and when he gets injuries. He's just lucky that he didn't get sussed out for 4 seasons and could play exactly the same players and tactics for 60 games a season.
     
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  11. Diego

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    Sorry, I thought you were being sarky :emoticon-0100-smile
    Easy mistake to make because most people look at Pep like a God. In fairness, if he gets the players he is kind of God like <laugh>

    P.S wasn't a case of him not being found out, it was more a case of the players being so good they could still walk through defences either in an open game or against a parked bus.
     
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  12. carlthejackal

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    It is this kind of defeatist attitude that had us going nowhere for decades. It is lucky for Leicester that they did not have this attitude last season. " we didn't really believe that we were going to challenge for the title at the beginning of the season so let's be happy with a top 4".

    When we are in a position to win/challenge for the title we should grab it. We were top a few months ago. And now we are sliding down with avoidable errors. We should get a grip rather than shrug our shoulders. Like Leicester who grabbed their chance when it came, we do not know when we will have that opportunity again.
     
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  13. Diego

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    Avoidable errors by who?
     
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  14. Zanjinho

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    So you're saying Leicester started last season with the attitude of "we're going to win the league" having just escaped relegation and not exactly broke the budget in the transfer market...? <laugh>

    It's not defeatist, it's realism. We're not going to suddenly become world beaters overnight and Leicester were a flash in the pan that happens once in a blue moon!
     
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    Rafa started changing teams wholesale for different competitions - didn't like it then, don't like it now.
    Players need to play together all the the time in order to understand each other and function as a team. Up and coming players who show promise need to be introduced sparingly and moulded by the experience around them.
    A smattering of experienced players is simply not enough.
     
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  16. Diego

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    Quite right, young promising players need to be introduced into the side 1 or at maximum 2 at a time to allow them to be protected and feel less responsible for the team performance. One or two average games can breed confidence and develop into several good games but if played in a team that isn't up to the job it can destroy a young players confidence completely.
     
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  17. Thus Spake Zarathustra

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    As if things aren't bad enough... :emoticon-0101-sadsm
     
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  18. Thus Spake Zarathustra

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    This is the point - Woodburn needs to be introduced game-by-game, hour by hour, just like Sterling was.
     
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  19. Thus Spake Zarathustra

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    Referees. :emoticon-0105-wink:
     
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  20. carlthejackal

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    The exact opposite of what I meant . They started with let's stay in the division. We all remember how cagey Ranieri was until 3/4 of the season had gone: "we are content avoiding relegation ". But he and their players did not let go of the once in a lifetime opportunity that they were presented with.

    Anyone who said that Leicester were world beaters even at their peak last season does not watch much football. They were batting well above their station.what they had was playing to their strengths and not dropping points unnecessarily. The exact opposite of what we've done in the last few weeks.

    Like Leicester we were not favourites but unlike Leicester we were not relegation favourites. It looks like we've now dropped out of the title race and staying in the CL places is looking increasingly precarious. Fingers crossed we'll recover from this bad patch but football is about momentum.
     
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