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Discussion in 'Southampton' started by ChilcoSaint, Feb 23, 2016.

  1. ImpSaint

    ImpSaint Well-Known Member

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    You've read my opinion. Opinions don't make politicians. The best politicians do not give opinions. They are careful to follow the yellow brick road and I only like yellow if Saints are wearing it.
     
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  2. SaintinSerbia

    SaintinSerbia Annoying Twat

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    blah .... we don't wear yellow ... green or black
     
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    Why I will never buy a Apple product. 99% of companies use child labour/ sweat shops etc. But Apple are by far the worse. Clothes are essentials, I can't walk around naked all day. But if I hear of a company that is using child labour then I avoid them. I don't buy any newspapers as most are trash and spew ****. I do as much as I can to avoid companies that treat others like ****, but I can't avoid everything. I recently stopped using Amazon, because of the **** they do.

    So yeah you could call me a hypocrite. But I didn't activately go out and vote for bigots. If I avoided every company that treated people like **** I would be dead. So I pick my battles.
     
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  4. TheSecondStain

    TheSecondStain Needs an early night

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    Neither did I.

    As for the other, there's little point in what ifs, and besides, I was voting Liberal at the time [there, I gave the game away], as I do much of the time. Oh, and I try to stay clear of branded goods and I check out the company to see whether I can ethically buy their product. I'm not a saint [especially with the small S], but I try not to be a **** either.
     
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  5. TheSecondStain

    TheSecondStain Needs an early night

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    Well said, Beefy.
     
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  6. Puck

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    There's obviously been an increase in attacks but even so, those numbers are still small and those people are still a tiny minority of the country. It's obviously not good but I think the alternative would end up making things worse and actually make the likes of UKIP, and maybe even the BNP, more popular. I think the Brexit vote will work against the racists in the longer term. Leaving the EU basically takes away their biggest "cover" policy, the idea they can hide behind that's most likely to appeal to mainstream voters. It opens a gap between the likes of the BNP and voters who are unhappy and can support a policy to leave the EU and/or end mass immigration but wouldn't be prepared to support policies like banning muslims from entering the country or returning people to their home country on a "voluntary" basis.

    You can see the beginnings of this already. Theresa May has taken a position on the EU that's pretty much nullified UKIP as a threat to the Conservative party. People aren't really talking about UKIP taking Conservative votes any more; they're talking about UKIP as a threat to Labour because Labour's position on UKIP's main (only?) selling point isn't clear. If Labour could sort themselves out I think you'd see UKIP's poll ratings fall through the floor.
     
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  7. ImpSaint

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    Spot on. Although I am struggling to understand which party (including UKIP) that want to ban muslims or repatriating people on a voluntary basis. BNP was knocked out the water a long time ago and they would never gain enough traction to be able to challenge existing parties. They hit their peak those years ago and then fell away.
     
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  8. Puck

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    They're just random examples of extreme policies that would get virtually no support. The muslims things is a Trump reference and I think it was the BNP who used to say they'd set up some sort of fund to help immigrants who wanted to return to the country they moved here from. I don't really know what UKIP's policies are apart from leaving the EU.
     
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  9. ImpSaint

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    Alas what UKIPs policies are and what the media / other political commentators / the echo chamber on the internet say they are is not that true really.

    In reality most of UKIPs policies from the last election were to the left of Cameron and Blair on the economy - i.e. in regular Tory territory and to the right of centre on all the social liberal stuff. They basically grew from the gap that Cameron left on the right by deserting normal Tory territory in favour if Blairism. Now that May seems to have returned the Tories to their normal territory albeit a modern version it has nullified UKIPs appeal to Tory voters and left them only able to attract the Labour voters over that will not vote Tory.

    You won;t hear that on TV. The whole lot of them are out to paint anyone who dare not be "so called" liberals as full on workhouse racist NHS hating scumbags or loony leftists.

    I assumed you meant BNP but even if we assume that their tiny voterbase has mixed into UKIP, UKIP is never going to go down that hardline route so there is no fear of some BNP infiltration and alteration of their stance because that would leave them where BNP were which is never going to be able to achieve anything.
     
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  10. Archers Road

    Archers Road Urban Spaceman

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    Also why many people around the globe boycotted South African products during apartheid.

    Personally, I won't use Amazon or Uber, nor shop in JD Sports, because they all treat their workers like ****.

    Scousers, god bless em, still don't buy The Sun.

    Ordinary people have more power than we realise sometimes. Having principles can make a difference, even in a world where Trump has just been swept to power.
     
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  11. Beef

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    I never use Uber either, not paying sick pay or holidays is mad. JD Sports is easy to avoid due to it being ****.
     
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    With a stroke of his pen, the president just potentially invalidated a transcontinental data flow agreement between the US and EU which took years to negotiate.

    The US-EU Data Shield agreement is an authorization framework which enables companies to transfer the personal data of Europeans to the US while ensuring that the companies operate within compliance of Europe's more stringent privacy laws. It effectively ensured that a European's personal data -- that is, any personal data originating from the EU, not just that of EU citizens -- would be protected to the standards that the EU demands whether the data is sitting on a server in Paris, France or Paris, Texas.

    More than 1,500 companies including Apple, Google and Microsoft had agreed to abide by the Data Shield agreement, which requires the US Department of Commerce to ensure that American companies are operating in compliance. It took the place of the earlier Safe Harbor agreement, which the European Court of Justice ruled ineffective and invalid after the Snowden leaks came to light in 2013.

    This agreement -- as well as the legal ability for US companies to serve European customers -- in now in very real danger of unravelling. And it's all thanks to an Executive Order that Trump signed earlier this week. Specifically, it's Section 14, which reads:

    Privacy Act. Agencies shall, to the extent consistent with applicable law, ensure that their privacy policies exclude persons who are not United States citizens or lawful permanent residents from the protections of the Privacy Act regarding personally identifiable information.
    Enforcing privacy policies that specifically "exclude persons who are not United States citizens or lawful permanent residents," while aimed at enhancing domestic immigration laws, effectively invalidates America's part of the Data Shield agreement, opens the current administration up to sanctions by the EU and could lead our allies across the Atlantic to suspend the agreement outright.

    .@EU_Commission : If adequacy is no longer guaranteed, we will have to suspend the #PrivacyShield #cpdp2017

    — Laura Kayali (@LauKaya) January 25, 2017
    If that happens, things are going to get really uncomfortable for US companies trying to do digital business in the EU. Without that authorization framework in place, these companies will be forced to operate in a legal grey zone making it far more difficult for them to serve their European clients.

    https://www.engadget.com/2017/01/26/...of-privacy-ri/

    First thing Trump has done that effects us. USA is a mess.
     
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  13. Onionman

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    While I share many of your doubts about the utter gimboid in the White House do bear in mind that there is a big gap between signing an executive order and something happening.

    So, for example, Trump can order a wall as much as he wants but states are already prepared on that front to take him to court to stop him (in California's case) using legislation about watercourses and wildlife management. He can't do anything that's illegal. The Executive orders look good in front of the camera but (1) they will have to be legal, (2) they'll be lobbied to death and (3) the courts will hold many of them up for years. And years. And years.

    I think Trump is currently enjoying his time in front of the cameras signing away but when it gets to the the hard work involved in making them happen, he has no political capital to use to persuade people who will oppose the detail at every step.

    Vin
     
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  14. San Tejón

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    Cartoon in the Mirror today.

    Trump - Greetings Mrs May. How about some tea?

    May - Why yes....

    Trump - Kettle's over there love. Two sugars in mine, Mike takes his black.



    Well, it made me chuckle.
     
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  15. SaintinSerbia

    SaintinSerbia Annoying Twat

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    HAPPY CHINESE NEW YEAR TO ALL! (the year of the TWAT!)
     
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    With the ascension of President-elect Donald Trump, Republicans see an opportunity to roll back the Endangered Species Act, which has become one of the government's most powerful conservation tools. The GOP contends the act has been used by wildlife advocates to block economic development and to hinder drilling, logging and other activities. Over the past eight years, Republican lawmakers have sponsored dozens of measures aimed at curtailing the landmark law. Almost all were blocked by Democrats and the White House or lawsuits from environmentalists.

    The 1973 act was ushered though Congress nearly unanimously, in part to stave off extinction of the national symbol, the bald eagle. Reforms proposed by Republicans include placing limits on lawsuits that have been used to maintain protections for some species and to force a decision on others. Republicans also want to adopt a cap on how many species can be protected and to give states a greater say in the process.

    More than 1,600 plants and animals in the U.S. are shielded by the law. Hundreds more are under consideration for protection.

    https://www.yahoo.com/digest/20170117/gop-makes-plans-invalidate-endangered-species-act-00837573
     
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  17. The Ides of March

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    I think the BNP has died as the extreme right has subdivided into Britain First, EDL, English Democrats, Yorkshire Royals, West Ham's Service Crew.
     
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    You mean...those unelected bureaucrats actually do something?
     
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    Well the Muslim ban is in effect.Oscar nominated director Asghar Farhadi not allowed into US due to it.

    Disgusting
     
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    President Trump’s executive order closing the nation’s borders to refugees was put into immediate effect Friday night. Refugees who were in the air on the way to the United States when the order was signed were stopped and detained at airports.

    The detentions prompted legal challenges as lawyers representing two Iraqi refugees held at Kennedy Airport filed a writ of habeas corpus early Saturday in the Eastern District of New York seeking to have their clients released. At the same time, they filed a motion for class certification, in an effort to represent all refugees and immigrants who they said were being unlawfully detained at ports of entry.

    It was unclear how many refugees and immigrants were being held nationwide in the aftermath of the executive order. The complaints were filed by a prominent group including the American Civil Liberties Union, the International Refugee Assistance Project at the Urban Justice Center, the National Immigration Law Center, Yale Law School’s Jerome N. Frank Legal Services Organization and the firm Kilpatrick Townsend & Stockton.

    The lawyers said that one of the Iraqis detained at Kennedy Airport, Hameed Khalid Darweesh, had worked on behalf of the U.S. government in Iraq for 10 years. The other, Haider Sameer Abdulkhaleq Alshawi, was coming to the United States to join his wife, who had worked for a U.S. contractor, and young son, the lawyers said. They said both men were detained at the airport Friday night after arriving on separate flights.

    The attorneys said they were not allowed to meet with their clients, and there were tense moments as they tried to reach them.

    “Who is the person we need to talk to?” asked one of the lawyers, Mark Doss, supervising attorney at the International Refugee Assistance Project. “Mr. President,” said a Customs and Border Protection agent, who declined to identify himself. “Call Mr. Trump.”


    In the arrivals hall at Terminal 4 of Kennedy Airport, Mr. Doss and two other lawyers fought fatigue as they tried to learn the status of their clients on the other side of the security perimeter.

    “We’ve never had an issue once one of our clients was at a port of entry in the United States,” Mr. Doss said. “To see people being detained indefinitely in the country that’s supposed to welcome them is a total shock.”

    “These are people with valid visas and legitimate refugee claims who have already been determined by the State Department and the Department of Homeland Security to be admissible and to be allowed to enter the U.S. and now are being unlawfully detained,” Mr. Doss said.

    Relatives crowded the living room in their pajamas and slippers, making and receiving phone calls to and from other relatives and the refugee’s lawyers. At times, D. was so emotional she had trouble speaking about her husband’s predicament.

    She pulled out her cellphone and flipped through her pictures while seated on the couch. She wanted to show a reporter a picture she took of her son’s letter to Santa Claus. In November, at a Macy’s Santa-letter display at a nearby mall, the boy wrote out his wish: “Dear Santa: Can you bring my Dad from Sweden pls.” He has not seen his father in three years. “I’m really breaking down, because I don’t know what to do,” she said. “It’s not fair.”


    http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/28/us...e-iphone-share
     
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