That is probably correct and May/Us do not want to upset the EU anymore (I think we have done enough of that). A deal with the US will take time and as one commentator said today the UK was the way into the EU for countries like China/US. Interesting times.
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This is a point I had wished I had picked up before. WE vote for the party not the PM. All this unelected cr2p is just an excuse.
I'm sure that 99%+ vote for a party, the manifesto they will deliver if they form the government and the party leader for PM.
if you want a labour or tory government the leader would be immaterial
you will vote for them no matter who the partys put as leader
helps explain john major
The thing is, she didn't become PM by winning a general election, nor did she even win a vote to become party leader, as her opponent stood down.
An excuse for what? I'd guess lots of people wouldn't have voted Tory with this regime. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have.
No it's not, Ellers. Technically, you don't even vote for a party. You vote for an individual who then goes to Westminster and represents your local area. After all, Carswell wasn't forced to resign his seat when he moved from the Conservatives to UKIP, was he?
The 2015 Conservative manifesto included the promise to stay in the EU and to hold an advisory referendum regarding leaving it. Only after winning the election in 2015, and when campaigning for the referendum in 2016, did the government say they would abide by the result of that advisory referendum. That is why some people (me, for instance) think we should have a general election now - to legitimise the new unelected government, staffed by many MPs who were not in the frame to run the country in 2015, being backbenchers or out of step with the party leaders.
The 2015 government no longer exists. We should have a say in who governs us and how they do it.
An excuse to discredit May as PM.
'Regime"? mmm strange word to use?
People voted Tory not because David Cameron was leader but because of the policies.
Yes we vote for our local MP who represents the party. You don't vote for a good bloke, you vote for what he represents. Strongly disagree with what you say about how people vote.
As for government and elections, any sensible person would let this ride because if May has an election, Labour will be wiped out and UKIP will get more seats. The biggest opposition with be the SNP and none of us want's that to happen.
is it not still the same elected government
with the same elected mps
just a different leader
who was also elected
with the same elected mps
just a different leader
who was also elected
I think for many the leaders were important. Milliband came across terribly to me in comparison which influenced my vote.
May is being discredited because she's not coming across as being very good at her job. It would be more palatable to those who dislike the job she's doing if she had won a general election to be there.
I don't see an issue with the word 'regime'.
Yes It is remember May/Fallen/Hunt blah blah blah from before. I think he is talking utter rubbish.
Funny, I have only been hearing how good she is at her job. This is not from tory papers but from independent commentators.
I can't say I've heard much of that. I've heard some meaningless soundbites though.
eer you are talking about her. A quick lesson in politics for you Watford. Don't listen to what they say, listen to what others say about them. Keep that in mind for future political arguments.
Glad you mentioned Ed Miliband (I would add Ed Balls). People didn't vote for them because they were weak, had ct2p policies and more importantly, Cameron had convinced the population that we were better off under the Tories.
If people vote for someone on looks then they really need to sort it out.
That doesn't make sense. Reread my post 8163. People vote for what the candidate represents - a potential PM, a potential government and a manifesto of what they will do if they win. That's what I said. Aren't you saying the same thing?
Disagree. It doesn't matter who wins or who gets decimated - that's the will of the people. This government is no longer carrying out the manifesto that got them elected and is no longer run by the individuals who were known to be in the frame for the government after the 2015 election. They are drifting towards becoming an authoritarian far right organisation - without standing for election in their new colours. We deserve our say at the ballot box and that is why they will not give it to us until 2020. Turkeys do not vote for Christmas.
Stroller I was probably drunk at the time.
on a serious note, I will be the first person to 'have a go' at May if she starts doing things that I don't agree with.
Okay we agree first point because you don't vote on what you MP looks like.
Second I would say we have had an election and the government are pushing ahead, however Brexit has changed things. We don't need an election every time things change, (ask Tony Blair). No need for yet another election because it will only cause more problems.
The most important thing is to sort Brexit.
I don't think the elevation of Major or Brown to PM without a general election was right, either. But I don't disagree with your point that we don't need to have have an election every time. We don't. I do think this is one of those times where we should, though. The change between the election of a centre-right Conservative government run by Cameron and Osborne in 2015 and the government we have now is far more significant than either of those two.
Brexit is a done deal. It will happen - MPs will not go against the votes of their constituents on this single issue question. They want to keep their jobs. The issue for me is the type of people who will deliver Brexit, the sort of Brexit we get and the type of country we will become along the way. The movers and shakers in Mrs Mays government are not the ones the people voted for in 2015. We deserve the chance to vote our approval of them (or not) now, not in 2020.