The Lib Dem Lords are unelected and over represented, they along with the others will be thinking about their daily allowance rather than causing too much trouble. They will not vote en masse against the will of the people.
It is no bother. The graphs show how out of touch with the general UK public some remainers are on this thread. Treat it as public service broadcast.
Politicians in other EU countries are rallying against the idea of Schengen. Today Francois Fillon, the Thatcher loving Conservative front runner in France's presidential race, pledged to re-instate "real" border controls to prevent the influx of migrants and restrict the entry of terrorists. He said, "as long as Europe's borders are not protected by our partners, France will re-establish real controls at its borders". Will others borrow ideas from Brexit?
It must be true as the Mail has reported the fact that HSBC is moving a 1,000 staff to Paris as a result of Brexit.
Since you failed to respond to my comment above about the will of the people and are keeping using it. Let me ask you directly 1) Who should have been elected US president HC with more public votes or DT with more elected reps?? 2) Who do you mean by the 'general UK public?? You may IMO use the term the majority vote or the will of the majority.... but to use the term again and again will of the people makes you sound liKe a parrot of Farage or even some union leader... and you are wrong I would be happy to dialogue with the real you rather than your sound bites
France's unemployment rate is over twice that in the UK, so we need to help those less fortunate and give them a few jobs. The City of London also requires the space for the extra business with the US.
Yorkie - the last few comments by SH are exactly of the nature that should not be encouraged which is why I have ignored them We know what happens when you agglomerate people and decry them all under the same banner - instead of remembering we are people as individuals
Donald Trump was rightly elected because he was successful under the US's accepted voting system. I referred to the general public as the sample the pollsters YouGov used. I would imagine they are very careful to have a broad section of the public. 94% of leave and 54% of remain voters think Britain should have control over immigration from the EU. 75% of general public overall.
From what I understand most of the MPs were for Brexit so really all this will mean is that the date of leaving the EU just moves back a bit which I guess won't please some. I might be totally wrong of course so please feel free to correct me!
Hopefully the bill is so tight it limits the ability for mischief making and stalling tactics. The MPs have already voted overwhelmingly to invoke article 50 by the PM's preferred date. All of the Tories will vote for it, except Ken Clark, as well as most Labour MPs. The SNP have promised 50 amendments, most if not all will end up in the bin. The Lords may be a bit more of a problem.
David Davis has conceded that MPs and peers will be able to try to make “substantive” amendments to the article 50 bill. There was much talk before today about how government lawyers would try to “bombproof” it by drafting it as tightly as possible to minimise the chances of MPs and peers attaching amendments. Doubtless the lawyers will still be doing what they can, but Davis admitted today that it would be impossible to draft a bill that would make it immune to “substantive” opposition amendments.
I'm wonder why he chose to mention those specific EU countries. http://jerseyeveningpost.com/news/2017/01/24/eu-may-blacklist-jersey-as-tax-haven-post-brexit/
SH - that is provocative and unnecessary. I have constantly show I debate with others for their different points of view. It is your lumping people together that I referred to - it is called discrimination. Please stick to your more moderate form of posting and do not "go for people"
I suppose that on this day when some sovereignty has been returned to Westminster I should be thankful. I am, and thank all of you for helping as I see tonight that the Supreme Court has awarded some of the costs against the Government. One of the groups that stood up in both the High and Supreme Courts was entirely crowd funded, with many donations of £10 or similar to bring the case that given rights could not be taken away without the approval of Westminster. In both cases the judges agreed, and now the taxpayer is having to pick up some of the bill as well as their own costs. This is just stage 1 of the campaign, and now stage 2 has been started tonight. A month was being given to raise the modest sum in legal terms of £30,000 and within 4 hours it is halfway there, again in small contributions. It seems to me that it is possible through such ideas as crowd funding to make our politicians think about what they have been elected to do, and stage 2 will be targeting MPs without resorting to the courts, unless the Government should try and ignore their rulings.
Poll taking place in the Yorkshire post currently shows that 83% of people believe the Supreme Court judges were right to call the Government to account.
