1. Log in now to remove adverts - no adverts at all to registered members!

Mick McCarthy

Discussion in 'Bristol City' started by ibodyslamrhinos, Jan 18, 2017.

  1. banksyisourhero

    banksyisourhero Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2011
    Messages:
    9,541
    Likes Received:
    969
    Don't believe everything you hear or read..

    Its often nonsense..
     
    #61
    oneforthebristolcity likes this.
  2. banksyisourhero

    banksyisourhero Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2011
    Messages:
    9,541
    Likes Received:
    969
  3. johngalleyfan2

    johngalleyfan2 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2011
    Messages:
    14,770
    Likes Received:
    943
  4. Cliftonville

    Cliftonville Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2012
    Messages:
    3,836
    Likes Received:
    1,567
    BCFC are now paying larger wages post Cotterill, unless anybody thinks these new players like Tomlin and Magnusson and Gary O'Neil, and the one costing a couple of million nobody sees are paid the same as Mr Cotterills first division squad?

    Mr Cotterill did use loans because he was not allowed to spend the above unless anybody really believes Mr Cotterill, who has never been relegated in his Managerial career with his experience at Championship level decided to conduct a campaign with a wafer thin squad ....

    Simple maths x looking at club accounts show Coaches/Mangers being given wildly different resource. Mr Johnsons tenure will show a huge spike northwards in expenditure.
     
    #64
    Red Robin and Redprintt like this.
  5. BCFCRob

    BCFCRob Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2011
    Messages:
    2,962
    Likes Received:
    852
    I hope you didn't just tell all of your mates
     
    #65
    RedorDead and banksyisourhero like this.
  6. BCFCRob

    BCFCRob Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2011
    Messages:
    2,962
    Likes Received:
    852
    Yes Cliftonville, but paying more wages now is not equal to Cotts having a wage cap. It could just be that the players he wanted wouldn't come here, or that certain players are worth more wage-wise than others, etc or whatever. I don't disagree that LJ is having far more backing the SC did, but to say that SC had a set wage cap is probably untrue isn't it.
     
    #66

  7. Cliftonville

    Cliftonville Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2012
    Messages:
    3,836
    Likes Received:
    1,567
    No.
     
    #67
  8. johngalleyfan2

    johngalleyfan2 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2011
    Messages:
    14,770
    Likes Received:
    943
    just those close at hand!
     
    #68
  9. BCFCRob

    BCFCRob Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2011
    Messages:
    2,962
    Likes Received:
    852
    Well let's agree to disagree. But all of the stuff you just said about LJ having more resource is correct but irrelevant to the original wage cap point.
     
    #69
  10. bcfcredandwhite

    bcfcredandwhite Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2011
    Messages:
    11,038
    Likes Received:
    5,820
    Didn't cotterill have £11m available for Dwight Gayle? Before Kodjia was sold?
    Might have been £9m I can't remember.
     
    #70
  11. Cliftonville

    Cliftonville Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2012
    Messages:
    3,836
    Likes Received:
    1,567
    It is not irrelevant. Mr Cotterill had a cap on wages that Mr Johnson did not. Net gross wages call it what you want all clubs have a ceiling.

    Mr Cotterill average spend on players v Lee Johnsons new squad?

    Wages?

    Steve Cotterill was an experienced proven Manager at this level, he knows the league and its players but somehow we are being told to believe he had millions to spend, failed to do so despite all that experience.

    It was the FC who were caught out. Wouldn't back a Manager who had walked a division. Now they are chucking money behind a man with a fraction of the experience.
     
    #71
    Redprintt likes this.
  12. oneforthebristolcity

    oneforthebristolcity Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2011
    Messages:
    8,973
    Likes Received:
    3,144
    You are forgetting, Cotts was on the verge in taking us down, in the same season as LJ kept us up......Wage cap or no wage cap......
     
    #72
  13. BCFCRob

    BCFCRob Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2011
    Messages:
    2,962
    Likes Received:
    852
    You are conveniently ignoring the rule of what a wage 'cap' is, you picked the wrong wording and you're trying to dig out of it.

    And I love how many people think we just bid £9m for these strikers for a laugh. Are you suggesting that if the players had said yes, we wouldn't have gone through with it? If not, then Cotts had money, albeit eventually.
     
    #73
  14. Cliftonville

    Cliftonville Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2012
    Messages:
    3,836
    Likes Received:
    1,567
    No again. City had a cap on spending including wages. Wages are not exempt from the clubs accounts and its liabilities. City got caught out and failed to provide the funds necessary to sign players, unless you believe that Mr Cotterill with his experience at Burnley, Forest, Pompey ... Forgot how to get players in.
     
    #74
  15. BCFCRob

    BCFCRob Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2011
    Messages:
    2,962
    Likes Received:
    852
    Would you like to answer my final point?
     
    #75
  16. Cliftonville

    Cliftonville Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2012
    Messages:
    3,836
    Likes Received:
    1,567
    With all respects I have tried to. Bristol City due to their own ceiling could not offer enough in wages to attract targets. Wages at BCFC are not elastic - SCMP/FFP - Five pillars - Steve Lansdown's view are all variables. £1 or nine million if City have set the bar too low and players do not get their pie, bigger pie wins.

    As Steve Cotterill said "I signed what I was allowed to". The now is nearly an entirely new squad has been brought in for a Manager who has done next to nothing in comparison in football.
     
    #76
    Red Robin and Redprintt like this.
  17. BCFCRob

    BCFCRob Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2011
    Messages:
    2,962
    Likes Received:
    852
    You keep making points as if you're arguing against things which I haven't said. At no point have I said SC had less backing than LJ. At no point have I said SC didn't deserve more backing. What I dispute is that he didn't have millions to spend when he evidently did in signing Kodjia and in making £9m bids for strikers.

    The issue is most likely that he didn't have that bigger budget until too late in the game. And by all accounts it seems that he was thoroughly unprepared for the transfer window, though arguably, that is more and more becoming the club's job rather than the manager's job.
     
    #77
  18. Cliftonville

    Cliftonville Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2012
    Messages:
    3,836
    Likes Received:
    1,567
    It was BCFC that was unprepared.

    Mr Cotterill has a wealth of experience of signing players. He was identifying targets. He was not backed. The transfer fee is meaningless if personal terms cannot be met. BCFC set their own bar too low. Mr Cotterill had to operate with a totally different budget.

    The issue is ........ that he didn't have that bigger budget until too late in the game ... Yes. He was not sufficiently backed.
     
    #78
    Redprintt and Angelicnumber16 like this.
  19. Red Alert

    Red Alert Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2012
    Messages:
    2,505
    Likes Received:
    850
    Managed 3 different sides at Championship level and none of them were relegated whilst he was there. Lee Johnson is only a couple of points better off now and spent **** loads of money in comparison How many new signings does Johnson have this season 15,16,17???? and is leaving his big money signing on the bench.
     
    #79
    Redprintt likes this.
  20. BCFCRob

    BCFCRob Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2011
    Messages:
    2,962
    Likes Received:
    852
    Again, arguing against a point which isn't there. I didn't say he wasn't sufficiently backed. You're changing your particular wording each time and arguing around semantics, not for the first time.
     
    #80

Share This Page