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Match Day Thread WBA v Hull City

Discussion in 'Hull City' started by Chazz Rheinhold, Jan 1, 2017.

  1. Carmine Galante.

    Carmine Galante. Well-Known Member

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    I've kept out of this Marshall v Jakupovic argument but have to say some of the opinions stated are bizarre.

    I think a bit of common sense needs to come into play and Marshall needs to be taken out of the firing line for the next game.

    I'm not a hysterical type and don't see how Marshall has done too much wrong to be honest, some of the criticism he's received is nothing short of ridiculous. I also don't think Jakupovic will make much difference and isn't in the Manuel Neuer bracket like some on here clearly do.

    Folk need to remember that Marshall is a city player and doesn't need constant slagging off and abuse, it's as if some people actively enjoy slating him and revel in any errors that he makes.

    As I said, bizarre.
     
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  2. Chazz Rheinhold

    Chazz Rheinhold Well-Known Member

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    Folk!!! WTF has happened to you down there in wherever it is you are.
     
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  3. Carmine Galante.

    Carmine Galante. Well-Known Member

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    Woow, steady on yer bor.
     
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  4. Dr.Stanley O'Google, HCFC

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    Psychedelia, Chazz...
     
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  5. Top_Tiger

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    Marshall looked shakey all first half. When a goalkeeper changes his gloves after 10 minutes you know he's not feeling confident. Thinking about that, anyone remember Steve Wilson needed a cap at Bell Vue and eventually borrowed one out the crowd?

    My problem with Marshall mainly is his positioning. His anticipation is poor to, the amount of times he doesn't dive, this would tell me he shocked by the shot? A criticism shown of both our Scottish goalkeepers is their ability to make saves from long distance. For two supposedly agile keepers they both seem to be stuck in cement and on the back foot.

    Despite the criticism our goalkeeper is not the reason we are where we are.
     
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  6. Steven Toast

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    That's my worry though, they aren't dealing with the crosses, but a lot more could be done to prevent them coming into the box in the first place. It's not the first time this season that somebody in the WB position (not necessarily one of the wing backs either) has backed off or flinched.
     
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  7. Steven Toast

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    It's not bollocks, I didn't say anything about anything being wrong with the defenders.
     
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  8. GCTiger

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    Lawro's prediction 2-0.... part of the reason:

    "The problem with Hull is the same every week. Lack of planning and forward thinking in the summer has cost them dear. Mike Phelan has done a good job with what he's got. It seems whoever is running the club couldn't run a bath."
     
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  9. tigercity

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    West Brom aren't as good as Everton but we're away and they're coming off some decent results

    1-1
     
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  10. look_back_in_amber

    look_back_in_amber Well-Known Member

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    I'll cry when I want to.
     
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  11. look_back_in_amber

    look_back_in_amber Well-Known Member

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    I never thought that I'd nod in agreement with the twat that is Lawrenson.
     
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  12. dennisboothstash

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    Don't think so
    Enjoy though
     
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  13. GLP

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    My problem with the goalkeeping position is that it's a key position and it's the foundation of the team as a goalkeeper in my opinion is one of the only positions that can affect how the rest of the team plays.

    Why is that I hear you ask? Well, a keeper first and foremost is the last line of defence, so saving and preventing the opposition from scoring is key. A defence confident in the ability of the keeper will generally play further up the pitch as they trust the keeper to carry out his responsibility if the opposition get a shot away. This in turn pushes midfield and attack into more advanced roles.

    At the moment as I see it nobody (fans included) are confident in Marshall. The defence are playing so deep, the midfield just in front of the defence meaning the gaps between midfield and attack are enormous. It makes attacks complicated as support from midfield is having to travel so far.

    Kicking from Marshall? Barely seen a keeper kick the ball into touch so often.
     
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  14. PLT

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    Obviously that's been my stance for a while, and Carmine is spot on too. Clearly, if there was ever a time to drop Marshall it's after that mistake but it's still not certain. I'd probably still expect that Marshall will start. The question is whether Phelan thinks it's affected him psychologically. To which the answer is probably no. He's not going to suddenly change his mind on who the better keeper is based on that bizarre gaff.
     
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  15. PLT

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    Leave me alone you ****ing weirdo.

    All you ever post is this random **** aimed at me. It never makes sense and it's always just ****ing weird. Like do you specifically go looking for my posts to do this or what? Do you do anything else on this site or just browse through my posts to have hysterical rants at me?
     
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  16. look_back_in_amber

    look_back_in_amber Well-Known Member

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    Spot on!

    No one is casually Marshall bashing, the facts are that this season we have produced far better results with Jak as the keeper as opposed to Marshall, therefore for Phelan to continue selecting Marshall appears either simply bizarre or based on the fee paid for the latter, perhaps it's a combination of the two.
     
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  17. PLT

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    That's not the right logic to use though in my opinion. Tottenham didn't win a game with Gareth Bale playing for about two years after he signed for them. It's a good job they didn't stop playing him on that basis.

    I don't think it's right to blame our deep defending on the keeper either. I don't think it's any different when Jak plays. We were on the back foot for large spells against Newcastle too. It's just what we are as a team at the moment.

    They're both decent keepers. Marshall is usually Mr Reliable but obviously not the other night. For the first time Phelan has grounds to drop him, but I still don't think he will.
     
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  18. GLP

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    The problem with the Newcastle game is it was isolated, Jak wasn't playing regularly at that point. The damage was being done in league games with the goals against column getting consistently hammered because someone else was in goal.
     
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  19. PLT

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    No point arguing about it but as you know I disagree. Only way we'll see is if Jak gets picked for a run. I almost wish he would just so we could talk about something else.
     
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  20. GLP

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    Nobody has put forward a compelling case for having Marshall in goal, even Phelan would struggle. Nothing supports him at this present time for him to be in goal. In the same way other players in midfield have been taken out of the firing line, the keeper should also be taken out. If Marshall is in goal against WBA, then it's merely a reflection of poor management in my opinion.
     
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