The EU debate - Part III

No, Kustard. They're opinions mostly of economists and analysts who work in the markets. You know the capital markets - as in capitalism.

 

Yes I did, and the edit was there before your reply as I knew you'd drip on. You're just trying to be a smart arse, and failing. The discrimination thing is your argument, not mine.

The law says I can buy alcohol. If she's not prepared to sell it, she shouldn't take a wage that includes an element from profit from alcohol sales. It's different for youngsters, as the law prohibits them selling it. The customer has been treat differently for religious reasons and there are plenty of examples of muslims selling alcohol, so she's wrong anyway.

If her belief has to be respected, so do those of the B&B couple. It should work both ways.

 

The edit wasn't before I quoted it or it would've come up in the quote.

The customer hasn't been treated differently for religious reasons, first off.
He was served alcohol in the shop that he wanted to buy it from.

An Islamic supermarket (or any other one, for that matter) could choose to not sell alcohol to anyone.
That wouldn't mean that people are being discriminated against, either.

The B&B couple were discriminating against people. That's the difference.
That's what you're not allowed to do.
Should they also be allowed to refuse to let black people stay in their place?

 

The edit was before your reply appeared, which is different to your initial claim of me having quick typing skills.

You seem hung up on arguing discrimination, when that's not the argument.

Their religion doesn't seem to hold any views on black people, so it's a ridiculous question.

If a supermarket chose not to sell alcohol, they wouldn't stock it, so people wouldn't go in to buy it, so that's a ridiculous argument too.

It's a question of respecting religious beliefs. She chose to work and accept a wage from an employer who trades in alcohol. Her belief can't be that strong. She should be told to serve any product within the law or find a new job.

If she's entitled to pick and choose what she serves based on what she claims are her religious beliefs, then someone running their own business should be given the same permissions.

 

If its "their" place they should be allowed to do as they please.

 

Within reason and the law. Ultimately, the free market will decide for them, but if it's on religious grounds, it seems there are other standards.

 

You're asserting that it's about respecting religious beliefs and that I'm hung up on it being about discrimination.
You've got it entirely in reverse, I'm afraid.
The Christian B&B couple were sued because they broke laws that protect homosexuals from discrimination by businesses.
It had nothing to do with religion. Their motivations might have, but the case didn't.

That couple might not be part of a religion that has an issue with black people, but some do.
Would you be fine with followers of another faith denying people business on the grounds of colour?

 

As you're now desperate to shift the discussion, which faith would deny black people?

 

That's against the law, though.

 

North Sea Ferries and several holiday camps often refuse same sex groups.

There are plenty of youtube clips of muslim bakeries refusing to make wedding cakes for gay marriages.

 

Mormonism used to be, until very recently. The Klan are a religious group, too.

Would you care to address my other point, as you're laughably dodging it while accusing me of doing the same thing?
More projection. Who'd have thunk it?

 

Dull's relieved to have a purpose in life again.

 

What point? I'm trying to see which religions in the UK you're trying to accuse of racism. Mormons don't as you point out. Ku Klux Klan don't seem to have too many UK guest houses, nor any likelihood of them appearing soon, and I doubt they're a recognised UK religion, so..which religions are you talking about?

 

North Sea Ferries and those holiday camps are breaking the law, then.
Do you have any evidence that they're doing this?

The Mulsim bakery thing on Youtube from Dearborn, Michigan? It's American and fake.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brian-stone/rush-limbaugh-dearborn-an_b_7002854.html
https://www.reddit.com/r/Christiani...slim_bakery_refuses_to_bake_gay_wedding_cake/

 

I didn't accuse any religions in the UK of racism. I asked a hypothetical question.
You can't answer it, for some reason.

 

Nope not that one, try a few of the others.

Ring up North Sea Ferries and ask to book a lads weekend. Try a few holiday camps too.

Don't waste too much time though, I'm intrigued at these religions you're on about.

 

Because you can't find any groups that fit your ridiculous scenario,

 

Dull owned again.

He has a bad habit of being sucked in by far right propaganda and then regurgitating it as gospel. They target the simple and weak minded.

 

So you can't provide any evidence to backup your assertion?
You're also attempting to conflate sexual discrimination with companies blocking lads holidays?!
Could you try being honest, please? Just the once. Try it. You might like it.

 

It's YOUR assertion.

I'm not trying to conflate it, I'm simply pointing out a couple of facts as you wriggle away.