The Hornet's Nest

Art we are trying to keep the this topic in the nest and avoid a lot of riot threads all over the place please see Sids announcement!

Also will refer you to the escalating costs to local communities people and business that have been hit by these rioters! I make no apologies in condemning these criminals!
Further more fully support the ideas suggested in here!
Some things transcend football and an attack on the very sinew lawful and community living is one of them !
I am sorry if you disagree with us , you have the right to your opinion and I respect that , please reciprocate!

Furthermore Art what is so fascist about trying to regain control of our capital city for the law abiding folk that live there!

 

What i am saying is that rather than put criminals in a prison at the tax payers expense and give them 3 square meals a day, warm dry beds and a tv if they do as they are told we should send them off to war to show them what hard work and discipline is. They would be trained, not just shipped off and told go kill the enemy, im not heartless! What is wrong with that??

We are having this conversation here because one of the admins has asked people not to clutter the boards with multiple threads about the riots.

 

Ak well said!

 

I'd say, tell that to the family who lost their 150-year business that went up in flames last night!

If their anger was aimed at Parliament, and solely Parliament then maybe fair enough! but when they are putting other peoples lives and their livelihoods in jeopardy, then they deserve no tolerance or understanding! I'd suggest the sending them in front of the Taliban is somewhat lighthearted and born out of the frustration of this mindless thuggery - because thats all this is, mindless... but these people deserve full condemnation!

I'd suggest the 'Watford Way' is supporting positivity, and condemning and opposing negativity, for standing up for what you believe in, and getting angry at those who threaten their fellow man!

 

I think you have your answer Art ! Lets hope that when things calm down we will have some football issues to discuss like Young Mensah perhaps !

 

So the Nest gets messed up with right wing ranting about thugs and drowns out other chats does it? Why not have ONE "thug thread" if you need it to let off your steam.

I agree with human rights for the innocent victims, I agree with the cost of policing etc etc - but talk of chucking people out of planes .... well need I say more?

Yes this transcends football and if it wants to be discussed here then I am not objecting - just to the destruction of the Nest for the time you guys go on ranting - saying the same thing time and again. Go back and look at your postings - you are in a feeding frenzy. Who is Sid - and does he tell you what to do? If I start a thread on the violence will you censor it then?

 

Then have ONE thread for this topic on here - I think you did something like that for Libya earlier did you not?

 

Tell what to the family? That I condemn mindless violence and would like to see it dealt with severely but in a democratic way within the rules of the society that I choose to live in? There is a cost to democracy - if you want to live in a free humane society and not in a fascist dictatorship you need to accept that dealing with crime does not come cheaply. As for the nonsence of putting them into uniform the idea beggars belief - find one Army Captain who would want those riff raff standing next to his brave men

 

Be our guest ! The Nest in all of its previous incarnations has been a virtual pub ad has covered many varied topics of conversation ,in a way just like a real pub , tell me that your local hasnt discussed this matter ,and that it hasnt got a little heated !

In answer to your question No it wont be deleted !

 

Human rights are for humans. I believe in the principle of "outlaw" that is that if person or persons willfully break the law and show disregard for same they forfeit any right to protection from the law. You can call me fascist, right wing whatever but I have no time for this detritus within society and would like to see them exterminated. This is not a joke but a sentiment built over 45 years of life experience. I've seen the justice handed out in S america and felt much better for carrying arms and having access to a police force who could enforce law through the bullet without question. I'm very tired of human rights rubbish, society has a right to impose standards to protect the majority and those who don't like it should get of this earth.

 

Weve covered that one Art a lot of us here are military or ex military!

 

Art will have to continue this discussion later as time to go and do a shift!

 

Don't let me stop your hanging party - just remember to wear your white hoods as there may be some who think you are not human - how can you suggest that some criminal elements are not human I do not know - I will leave you to it as I seem just to be giving you all ammunition to fuel your righteous fire - you are so lucky none of you were a little bit misguided in your youth

 

Who was talking about throwing people out of planes? We were simply saying turn criminals into soldiers. They have committed crime and should be punished. How is sending them to a warm, dry hotel where they get 3 meals, recreation time, free classes to earn qualifications and skills a punishment?? Most people re-offend with in a year of release. In 2008 there were 150 Re-offenders for every offender. A short shock at hard work and having the fear of god put in them might stop that!!!

SYD is one of the sites administrators and is the head moderator, so yes we listen to what he has to say. We wont censor it unless it gets OTT and there are many of them, we are more likely to just merge the ones we have into one big one.

 

Well, this democracy we live is tying the police hands, where they just have to stand and watch them burn down London! I'm not suggesting a facist dictatorship... but more power for them to keep them under control. If they throw a brick at my head, I should be able to retaliate! If they start pushing a burning car at me, i should be able to cut them off and prevent them by any means necessary! I'd suggest there is such thing as too much democracy... this has allowed these people to think they can get away with whatever they want, without any repurcussions, hiding by human rights and political correctness!

As for putting them in uniform, I did say I wouldn't want them on the front line with me... but certainly suggest they go to army training camps and show them what real discipline is!

 

By not human I refer to a standard I expect from people to be accorded human rights. People are very very different to each other and there are elements that are not as far along the evolutionary trail as others. I'll have patience with those elements and encourage their input whilst they live within the rules. As soon as they work outside the law or attack the fundamental pillars of my society I should have the right to defend that society with appropriate force. As for white hoods you're confusing sentiments, a respect for law and order along with the history of our society has nothing in common with a racist organisation in the USA. Believe me there is no pleasure in having to take a hard stance but at the moment it is necesary, I want to live in a decent meritocratic fair society that respects hard work and endeavour not a lilly livered liberal society that rewards laziness, crime and whinging. I've left the communist experiment and will leave this country very soon too, I've had enough of the liberals.

 

There is very little discipline in normal civilian life, it should start at home and be carried on in School and throughout life. If there was more discipline perhaps some of this senseless violence would not have happened. I really hope that the so called friends and family of these scum have the courage to stand up and report them to the Police and authorities. They have to be dealt with good and proper, remember the short sharp shock treatment. Yes National Service should be brought back, don't need mollycoddle them though. There is no gold plated solution, good Policing yes, but action must be taken to stop this occuring again.

 

I for one have to admit to doing some very stupid things in the past year, but i never endangered any other person's life. We are not saying to hang anyone or kill them out right. But the men in our armed forces die to protect us and our liberties. These scum-bags who are rioting over the death of a gang member who had a gun on him (whether it would fire or not, how would you react if a gun was in your face?). Most of those involved dont have any connection with the original incident.

 

There is absolutely no connection to the death of a gangster in Tottenham, it is mindless thuggery and theft. Why would people in Liverpool, Bristol or Birmingham care about something that happened in North London.

 

Exactly. The whole things stemmed from the girlfriend of the gangster who got shot wanting answers as to why he was shot dead. But the protests just grew and grew. Mainly because the people there have nothing better to do with their time. How anyone can stand up for them and not want to see the punished is beyond me!!