Off Topic Political Debate

What is sad is that you are desperate to try to deflect the growing number of problems facing France. It will not stop France's decline. Knocking the UK will not help unless it keeps you mind off the real dangers facing your adopted country.

 

The point is that there is not a "large pool of desperate workers." You have full employment.

 

No, most Europeans are in the UK because they cannot find work in the EU. The UK has enjoyed a much higher growth rate over the last few years compared to the EU. The Euro has been the main factor why EU growth rate has been so poor and unemployment so high.

 

No, you are showing all the signs that have been seen in the growing number of Brexiteers about how the UK can get out of this sorry mess. Keep the bravado up, talk about any other country, ignore the fact that there is no plan, ignore all of the financial news and keep your fingers crossed. It is little wonder when one day one Minister says something and the next day another says something else. Even today the Prime Minister was unable to give a straight answer to a committee. I know the problems in the country that I live in, but you seem to be wearing rose coloured blinkers.

 

You don't seem to understand, this discussion started with mentioning poor employed people. the fact that there is always a pool of people ready to undercut the work force keeps wages low. Many self employed contractors have seen rates not improved for several years. It has even clicked with comrade Corbyn. The only person in the UK who has not worked it out yet is Diane Abbott.

 

You do not seem to understand that in every country there are people working for a pittance. Tell me a country where that is not the case. A country that has full employment should be able to make that pay through the tax system, yet there is something fundamentally wrong in the UK. Because of this many people have been excluded, and the rabble told them it was all the fault of someone else, so they thought they could have a better life if they voted for something. It has been the largest scam ever seen in the UK.

 

Countries are queuing up to do trade deals with the UK, I am very confident for the future. We had plenty of doom mongering from the remainatics before the referendum, apart from sterling dropping a bit, nothing happened. In 2016 the UK will have the highest growth in the G7.

In 2017 you can look forward to a right wing government in France that will result in chaos or a right right wing government with Bennite views, the worse of all options. No wonder the french are amongst the most depressed in Europe.
I probably lived there at the best time in late nineties/ early naughties when everything was cheap at 1.60 + euros/£. There are many Brits wanting to return to the UK but their properties often take years to sell.

 

Most observers would rightly think the fundamental problems lie with countries that have extremely high levels of unemployment. Until these struggling countries address this long standing problem the workforce, especially the young have to look to successful nations like the UK for work.

 

So why is the UK having to increase it levels of debt if it has the right model?

 

Most European countries are increasing their debt. France's debt is higher than the UK without any attempt to tackle the problem.

The UK's unemployment rate is half that in France. The UK's growth rate in Q3 was 0.5%. France's was 0.2%
The UK retains its spot as the number one place in Europe for foreign investment. The euro is dropping in value so fast it could reach parity with USD by January.

There does not seem to be too much going for France and the rest of the EU at the moment.

 

None of which answers the question. Just more waffle I am afraid.

 

Are these more uncomfortable facts? I'm not sure your 'head in the sand' approach will work. More terrorist attacks by imported jihadis will only increase support for Le Pen. Fillon's promise to sack 500,000 public employees and to reduce employment rights may well limit the left wing votes. The presidential election could be much closer than currently envisaged.

'There may be trouble ahead"........

 

What on earth has that got to do with the question? Time to address the problems of the UK for you and time to stop worrying about places that you were unable to live in. There is little point in carrying on unless you make an effort to address the questions you are asked.

 

You should be worried about where you live. When you question the UK's performance it should be taken in the context of alternative EU countries. I can understand why you dare not look at France because of its many problems. Maybe you should start answering why France and many other countries cannot match the UK in many areas.

I left France for a better option. Many Brits are unfortunately not able to currently fulfil this.

 

Sorry SH, but if you don't wish to try and make an informed debate then I will not engage further with you. I asked you about the UK and you don't want to answer. Not much point in continuing therefore.

 

What is slowly dawning on you is that despite the many challenges the UK faces they are easier to solve than the problems in the pipeline for France and the rest of the EU. Just because you refuse to face them they will not go away.
You have been wrong on the doom mongering so far, long may your negative comments continue to be proved erroneous.

 

This is a very important question. One of the so-called major definitions between Tory and Labour policy... and has completely failed.... again. If it was a labour Govt doing this the media would be exploiting the fact.


Here is view from a national paper:

Can you read it and comment on it SH without reading the source?



Very high Government debt can slow your economy right down.


Borrowing can crowd out other investment, as investors loan their funds to the Government, rather than to private sector borrowers.


Academic research looking at the US has found that raising the Federal deficit may have adverse effects for businesses and households. It can in turn reduce private sector investment, economic growth, and employment.


Large debts may also require higher rates of taxation to pay for them, limiting the Government's ability to cut taxes and stimulate the economy. One study suggests that in the UK, a 1pc cut in tax tends to stimulate GDP by 0.6pc on impact, and by 2.5pc over the following three years.


In the event of a crisis, high debts and deficits can also pose a problem. While policymakers want to increase spending in order to stimulate the economy, investors may be unwilling to loan money if the Government is already burdened by poor finances.


In its latest Article IV report on the UK economy, the IMF said that maintaining deficits and debts at their current, high levels "would constrain the space to respond proactively to future large negative growth shocks".


(Sadly there is a tendency to talk in sound bites SH with no depth to your discussion... .and then you switch tack...... (attack the best form of defence?) )

BUT for me the key here is that we are having to borrow more ( the complete antithesis of Tory philosophy) to tide us over this period. I see no evidence from any of the key market indicators that BREXIT is in any way good for our economy

 

I have just seen statistics on terrorist attacks since the 1970s which show what I expected, namely that the chances of being a victim of them has gone down dramatically, and continuously, since those days. Yet the chances of them being reported has risen in the same proportions. There is a good chance that the recent lorry attack on the Christmas market in Berlin would, in the 70s, never have got further than the German press. In contrast, since the 70s, the chances of being killed in a road accident have increased. The chances that your piece of earth will become inhabitable because of global warming have increased. The chances that you will personally sink into poverty whilst living in a rich western country have also increased. So why the media fixation with terrorism ? Western Europe is a far safer place to live now than it was in the 70s - yet the media would like us to believe otherwise, why ? Is not the rise of right wing populism in many European countries the result of sensationalist reporting rather than any real tangible dangers ? I do not know one single German who has been personally inconvenienced, or endangered, by the so called 'refugee crisis' - most Germans, and other Europeans, get their 'moral panics' from the media. As Mark Twain said - 'It is easier to fool people, than to convince them they have been fooled'.

 

I would not quote forecasts from the IMF if I was you, they keep getting it wrong by underestimating the success of the UK government. Of course not applying proper austerity over the last few years has been a wasted opportunity, normally it is the left wing that whinge when any kind of attempt to save money is applied.
It is sensible to allow the national debt to increase temporarily whilst the turbulence of Brexit is endured. There will be a hit to GDP after Brexit until the lucrative trade deals kick in. The UK's superiority over other EU countries on growth, employment and investment will soon be re-established whilst the rest of the EU will continue to suffer the present malaise.

 

There is a rising view, in Germany and beyond, that Merkel's irresponsible open door policy and schengen has contributed to increased terrorist activity. The rise in far right wing support is directly related to chosen immigration policies. We will see next year in the French and German elections by how much.