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Bit of common sense and perspective required

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  1. oneforthebristolcity

    oneforthebristolcity Well-Known Member

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    There is and always will be City fans who can't stand the Johnsons for whatever reasons.

    Gary, who led us from the dregs of league one, to promotion to the championship and within the FIRST season, took us to an historic day at Wembley and 90mins away from the premiership. Fact.

    Lee, who took over last season with the very likely prospect of relegation, but amazingly saved us with points to spare.
    Sounds like reasons you would hate the Johnsons!

    But for whatever is said or done the hate will always be there, if he does well as a manager, it will be down to money or someone else, go on a bad run and the gun will fire from the already cocked gun.

    Now, I want to make this clear, I was shocked and a bit disappointed that he was announced our manager after Cotts as I thought it was a bit early and was hoping for a bigger name with experience of managing at this level.. Especially with all the dross we've had in the past since GJ (Cotts excluded)

    In my opinion since LJ was appointed he's done well, although admittedly results at present have been very disappointing.

    As been said, fine margins has determined points, mistakes by defenders, keeper and such like and chances not taken although many have been created.

    Like Harry Rednap said this morning (Talksport), managers can only do so much, it's down to the players closing down, making the right decisions, creating and taking chances, you can only put the team out who you think is best and who's doing it on the training ground.

    Getting the team to sing all at the same time is the key, one or two making mistakes will destroy the song!

    I personally think LJ is trying to play the right way but agree results will be the only thing at the end of the season that matters.

    I believe it is the fine margins that's letting us down and not necessarily his tactics or formations or team selection.

    If it's not working, you will try to fix it, if it doesn't work when you try to fix it you will be accused of not knowing your best 11. No win situation.
    It's arguably one of the best and hardest divisions in the world, so was never gonna be easy, look at the likes of Norwich, who many thought would be in the top 2, tonking 5-0 by Brighton (who could have predicted that)

    We have been losing games, mainly by the odd goal/mistake, not taking our chances nothing too drastic.

    As said before, a few additions are needed, players with strength and confidence will turn things around.

    I don't think at this point we should be slaughtering the manager but instead getting behind him (excluding Redprintt)!

    Keep the faith fellow supporters and Merry Christmas to you all (including Redprintt)!
     
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  2. invermeremike

    invermeremike Well-Known Member

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    Merry Christmas to you and all Bristol City supporters. I like your happy thoughts but tend to disagree with most of them, but that's what makes us City supporters doesn't it? Cheers to one and all.
     
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  3. johngalleyfan2

    johngalleyfan2 Well-Known Member

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    Take out the drivel and content containing all the repetitions from previous articles and arguments and there is ....

    OH WELL
    <magic><bubbly>
    MERRY CHRISTMAS
     
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    wings-of-a-crow Well-Known Member

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    common sense and perspective!, not words you often read on this site,
     
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  5. Red Robin

    Red Robin Well-Known Member

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    There is and always will be City fans who can't stand the Johnsons for whatever reasons.----------- GJ my favourite manager since Alan Dicks loved his years with us gutted when he went.
    LJ always liked as a player,thought it was to early for the city job,so far not impressed at all with him.His management skills are untested at this level.Job should have gone to a guy that could take city to the next level.

    In my opinion since LJ was appointed he's done well, although admittedly results at present have been very disappointing. -------With the backing given,his expenditure,seven points better of than last season that is very poor.

    Like Harry Redknapp said this morning (Talksport), managers can only do so much, it's down to the players closing down, making the right decisions, creating and taking chances, you can only put the team out who you think is best and who's doing it on the training ground.-----------round pegs in round holes would help,and two up top a must.

    We have been losing games, mainly by the odd goal/mistake, not taking our chances nothing too drastic.------------this has been going on all season,not just one or two games.

    As said before, a few additions are needed, players with strength and confidence will turn things around.------------bottom half of the table will struggle to get quality here,same scenario as last season.

    I don't think at this point we should be slaughtering the manager but instead getting behind him (excluding Redprintt)!----------LJ is creating his own problems,he is not helping his self with the same old same old .

    Keep the faith fellow supporters and Merry Christmas to you all (including Redprintt)![/QUOTE]----------------We would be happy if he tried to rectify the problem as opposed to going along the same route,week in.week out.
     
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  6. johngalleyfan2

    johngalleyfan2 Well-Known Member

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    that may be the problem ...to many inn's .... is he beer lager cider .....or shorts! ........:emoticon-0140-rofl: :emoticon-0140-rofl:
     
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  7. BrightredRickster

    BrightredRickster Well-Known Member

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    no, its a WEAK INN, i.e. the beer is not strong enough
    Stop watering down the beer and that will put hairs on the players' chests (and on the palms of their hands)
     
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  8. invermeremike

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    Someone warned me about hair on the palms of your hand.
     
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  9. Redprintt

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    Common sense
    Knowing your best team and playing a settled side is my idea of common sense.
    Junior obviously doesn't !

    Perspective - ponder how much money has been spent and assess whether 6 losses from 7 is good enough. And our form shows we're heading only in one direction. South.
     
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  10. johngalleyfan2

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    shows you didn't ...! a lot
     
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  11. smhbcfc

    smhbcfc Well-Known Member

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    Football is all about different opinions - and that's reflected on our board.

    I do think it's easy to critisise any manager because ultimately they all fail (unless you are Sir Alex Ferguson) - sooner or later there will a bad run of results and then it's easy to say its the Managers fault

    We need to give LJ time to build - the Championship is a tough league - teams like Newcastle/Leeds/Norwich etc have no divine right to win it, let alone us (and we have to be honest with ourselves, we are not a big club compared to many).

    Society these days is "want it now" but chopping and changing all the time seldom works (Watford the possible exception). Look at where we have been as a club in previous years - there are so many positives on and off the pitch. For the first time in decades I'm optimistic about the long term prognosis for our club.
     
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  12. oneforthebristolcity

    oneforthebristolcity Well-Known Member

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    OK Redprintt, you've been to more games than I have by the sounds of it this season. Out of the players he has, what would you say his best 11 are?
    If you chose that best 11 and you lost 3 games on the bounce, would you change it?
    Of the players that were available in the summer with the money LJ has spent, do you think you would have brought in better alternatives to what we have?
    I'm asking these questions as it seems you have the answers!!

    I will say, I imagine most clubs outside the top 10 in all divisions are asking the same questions. Even the likes of Man C, Man U, Spurs and Arsenal have the same dilemma!
    Again I stress, a hiding is normally easier to rectify, where as close margins are a lot more difficult. Even you surely can see that!
     
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  13. Angelicnumber16

    Angelicnumber16 Well-Known Member

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    Common sense would suggest that if a Manager is not able to produce the results necessary to keep his team away from the threat of relegation then he should be replaced.

    He still has until the end of January for me, which is 7 league games and the FA Cup tie with Fleetwood, but if results continue as they have been going then things need to be changed.

    The run of games coming up is very tough and a few defeats from this next tranche wouldn't be so bad if we'd got some points on the board from recent matches.

    These are our fixtures from now until 31/1/17

    Wolves A
    Ipswich A
    Reading H
    Fleetwood H (Cup)
    Cardiff H
    Nottingham Forest A
    Aston Villa A
    Sheffield Wednesday H

    Looking at these games, we'll do well to get more than 4 points from this lot.
     
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  14. robin_unreliant

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    Unfortunately it is starting to remind me of this time of Cotterill's last season. We are widely considered to be playing some nice football but losing due to missed chances and soft goals conceded.

    SC doggedly stuck to his 3-5-2. Johnson is obsessed with playing two holding midfielders and one up front.

    Opposition managers have worked out how to beat us. We have no width or pace in the side. We can all see this but the brilliant coach seems oblivious as to how to change it.

    Barnsley fans are saying that the slow, laborious build up, lack of pace and obsession with one up front (even at home) are all things they endured during their eight straight defeats under LJ. They don't credit him for their recovery either - although that may be sour grapes.

    All very worrying. We need to speed up our attacks and stop relying so much on Tammy. Not convinced LJ is the man to move us to the next level.
     
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    oneforthebristolcity Well-Known Member

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    So that's all the managers in the bottom half of every division then?
     
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  16. Angelicnumber16

    Angelicnumber16 Well-Known Member

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    Well that's one way of looking at it, but plenty of Managers get sacked every year, and not all of them are in charge of teams the bottom half of the league.

    Would you rather stick with him and have him actually take us down if that becomes a real threat ?
    Potential waste x more years trying to get back out of L1 and having to play the likes of Oldham, Bury and Chesterfield again ?
     
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    'So that's all the mangers in the bottom half'

    If they'd spent HALF what Junior's spent :
    Absolutely - it's a yes.
    Get rid before another scatter gun approach.

    It's obvious you rarely watch these days that's why you pose questions to me.
    If I chose a team, whose to say I would lose and anyway would I have signed the same players he has in the first place.
    It's all supposition and all you're doing is deliberately muddying waters about the situation Junior and Lansdown has brought to BCFC.
    Get down the Gate and have a watch.
    I hope you might change your view.
     
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  18. BCFCRob

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    But angelic, you've essentially just said that common sense suggests 12 (or more) managers per season deserve sacking. That's literally about as nonsensical as it gets.
     
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    It should probably be noted that while LJ has spent a lot, he's probably got the lowest net spend in the entire division so far this season.
     
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  20. oneforthebristolcity

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    But as we all well know, bringing in another manager doesn't guarantee survival (SOD). I would agree with you more if we were getting thrashed and outplayed every game.
    The fact that he saved us last year, I wouldn't be in a rush..
    Then there is the dilemma of who we bring in, not the greatest for appointing top managers are we?
    Everyone goes on about having a settled side, maybe we should be a bit patient in what we have at management level, like I said, chopping and changing guarantees nothing!
    I'm willing to give him time to bring in some more players in Jan and to see how it goes..
     
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