It happens everywhere, Leeds fans have been whining about all the Leeds based Man United fans for years.
Liverpool managed a successful boycott for our home match with them. They bought tickets and didn't attend. The fact that they bought a child's ticket was irrelevant, other then to Ehab Allam. A boycott for league match against Liverpool or Manchester City would be simple to organise. Members of the membership scheme don't attend. Other supporters buy a ticket and don't attend either. The same for the second leg against Manchester United, buy a ticket and stay at home. The reason it wouldn't work now has nothing to do with the logistics of organising it, but the fact large numbers would ignore the call. Swansea is an easy hit because attendance will be fairly low anyway. However it doesn't give us any indication of our strength. For me a large part of the CTWD was respect for our name, our heritage and our history. That is our history on and off the pitch. Tubbycitymanlard and people like him deserves far more respect then he's getting on here. Without them there would have been no Hull City, no interest from Adam Pearson, no KC and no Premier League football. They are part of our soul and deserve to be heard respectfully. As Tubby will be the first to tell you we don't always see eye to eye, but I always listen to what he has to say. The Allams are destroying our club. We have no name, gates are falling, we are divided and face relegation. I would say, no disrespect to Tubbycitymanlard, that this is the biggest crisis faced by our club, simply because it's about losing our soul. Hating the Allams for many comes first, supporting Hull City AFC a distant second. In that sense they have already won because its all about them. They have become more important than Hull City. We have a stadium that doesn't have our name in it. For me we are at war with the Allams. they want to bury our name, our history and our future. To win a war you need an army. To win a long war you need a strategy and clear objectives that can be achieved. At the minute, in my opinion, we have neither. The history of recent fan protests against the owners is, they look good on TV but ultimately fail. The classic example being Blackpool. The Allams will sell when they want. When they get the asking price from somebody they know will pay they'll sell. I don't see boycotts, marches outside their houses nor pitch invasions changing that. "But we have to do something, anything" some people may say. Yes, it may feel good but nothing changes and what do you next after Swansea City? What game do we boycott next? Our supporters will remain unorganised and divided (the reason the Trust picked Swansea City and not Manchester United). Is there an alternative? I think so. We should try and unite Hull City supporters around a common plan of action. A meeting open to all groups, including the OSC, as well as individuals should be organised. For me any long running campaign would look at supporters reintroducing the name Hull City into the KC, supporting the team in its relegation battle with our own Hull City (Hull City AFC is trade marked, Hull City isn't) flags and scarves and designing our own badge. We should demand, yes demand, the return of proper concessions, not fans exiled to the corners like naughty school children and consultation before evicting fans from their seats. We should demand the club use our name, Hull City, on its website, Facebook page, adverts, official merchandise and in the KC. Not as sexy as throwing pigs onto the pitch, boycotts, marching past their houses but, possibly, far more successful in eventually saving the soul of our club.
Uniting fans and groups is something I 100% agree with, and where too many have either by accident or design been creating the opposite.
The quoted is the part of your post I was most interested in. We already are demanding those things aren't we? But obviously they ignore demands. So the only suggestion there that isn't already being done is to make some alternative merchandise. I like that idea; let's do it.
I don't really think there's any issues between fan groups. The OSC are largely uninterested in stuff of this nature (and perhaps rightly so given the affiliation with the club) but I don't think there's any issue between them and any other group. Beyond the OSC and the Trust there's not a lot else, but the fanzines, bloggers and the Southern Supporters etc all seem to be fairly well aligned with the rest of the fanbase. Fundamentally things are way better between fans than at the height of the name change stuff.
That's not really what I meant, and my understanding of what you've put is that it isn't as clear cut as you like to think, and that is part of the problem.
I don't think so. Yes it is the Trust's policy for the membership scheme to be scrapped but what have you organised since Leicester City? A demand that isn't followed up by a sustained campaign isn't really a demand in my eyes, especially if it is being ignored by the club. Sorry. Will the Trust be calling an open meeting to try and bring us all together? People like me, Tubbycitymanlard, DMD, and others who haven't toed the Allam out at all costs line. Never mind the ones that say I want the Allams to go but we should get behind the team.
Brilliant idea. It shouldn't be about their ownership of Hull City AFC but about the Allams attitude towards the people of Hull and young people in particular. The Allams evicted thousands from the Airco Arena, mainly young people, because it was morally right for them. They got rid of concessions for young people, the elderly and the disabled for Hull City supporters. They have applied for a gate to stop families from Spring Bank walking across the footbridge to go to West Park.
Yeah but it never is according to you. There's always some mysterious knowledge that only you understand. I wasn't even limiting it to the Trust. I meant us as fans. We're all demanding concessions back and all the rest of it and have been for many months. The Trust is one part of that. You didn't say anything about following up those demands with a sustained campaign, you just said we should make demands as if it's that simple. Now you're saying we should make demands which aren't ignored. I'd be very interested to hear how we can achieve that. I am happy to attend and participate in an open fans meeting and I'm sure some other Trust directors would say the same. Personally I don't think it makes sense for the Trust to call that meeting as it gives the impression that we're just thinking of starting a campaign now whereas in reality it started years ago. It might please you and perhaps Dutch, but others would ask "what the ****'s all this about?". And this is the problem. There's pages and pages of posts on here, Tweets and Facebook posts saying what the Trust should or shouldn't do and they're all different. Whenever there is a good idea amongst this, it's just assumed that it's for the Trust to do that on behalf of others. Usually people who only ever criticise us.
It's no secret that your people skills are ****. Perhaps if they improved, fans may perhaps start to be more united. You seem to be taking up a few of the suggestions that I made quite some time back, so maybe the issue is with your perception skills too.
