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Karius saves his (Migs') Anfield career

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  1. afcftw

    afcftw Well-Known Member

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    Ospina was the best keeper in France and at the South American cup, doesn't mean he didn't need time to settle into the English game.

    Price tag is just a number, it doesn't change that a player needs to find his place within a new team, settle into the way the league works, settle into his new home etc... A lot of players take time to find there feet after a move and price tag makes no difference.
     
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  2. astro

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    Must have been a big upheaval for Pogba to move to Manchester and play in England, I wonder if he's picking up the language yet
     
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    Obviously he has lived in Manchester before and must speak good English, but that doesn't change the fact he has been living abroad for the last few years, has had to find a new home, play with new teammates and a new manager and is playing in a league he isn't used to.

    I appreciate it should be easier for him than others given he is going back to a club he has been at before but there are obviously things he will need to settle into.
     
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  4. DirtyFrank

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    For me, I have absolutely no problem with the Nevilles, Carra Savage etc etc legitimately criticising players or in fact doing the equivalent of click bait as part of their jobs.

    I also have no problem with any player or manager targeted by said pundits responding verbally or via the same media devices as the pundits.

    Depending on the situation, I as a fan will have an opinion as to whether either view is accurate or a sign of bias or "meltdown" or self defence etc.

    It's part of the all round entertainment aspect of sport. Like managers trying to out psych each other . .happens in every sport.

    In fact, players and manages exchanging barbs with pundits happens much more in other sports such as rugby, cricket and golf.
     
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  5. LuisDiazgamechanger

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  6. Zanjinho

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    Tobes will love that...
     
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    As long as it does not affect the team's performance it should not be a big deal.

    Just concerned it could be counterproductive. We do not certainly want to increase the pressure on the GK. If it provides extra motivation for Karius to do well, cut the mistakes then <ok> but not put negative pressure on him to be jittery or uncertain.

    I remember Rafa and Keegan (for the toon) responding to provocation and the outcome didn't turn out to be great.
     
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  8. Jimmy Squarefoot

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    It's amusing how all of the focus is on Karius for that free kick - no mention of the cowardly wall that was bullied out of the way.

    Lallana and Lovren ...

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  9. Tobes

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    He'd lined his wall up wrong though. As it meant his starting position was too far to the left of his goal.

    His starting position was the reason for the second goal as well, we was 3-5 yards too far back when Matip missed the header.

    Fine lines and all that.

    I had to laugh listening to TS last night and this morning. Kopites have been saying that Karius has been ****e of late - and rightly so. Neville says it and he's a bitter Manc <laugh>
     
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    Na tobes, G Neville bit the bullet and was on twitter as soon as he perceived he was being criticised by Karius, P Neville saw his stint on MOTD as an opportunity to stick up for his brother despite him also being a bag of ****e in Spain.
    P Neville can't see the irony of telling the keeper to keep his gob shut whilst opening his to rant about the issue.

    Its great entertainment btw, Sutton and Shearer have backed Karius, who's gonna back the rat pack?, maybe Sir Alex or their mates from 92.<laugh>
     
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  11. BobbyD

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    Deffo the walls fault. Again i dont think karius is too far one side. Thats the keepers side the wall is meant to do ita job
     
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  12. Tobes

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    Hamann and Carragher had a spat on twitter as well <laugh>

    The whole thing is bollocks tbh. Carragher and Neville were just doing their job as pundits.

    Karius had a planned interview afterwards and was asked about it, Neville has then reacted to that wrongly and it's turned into pundit handbags

    Karius is still dogshit though :)
     
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    That's normal though, isn't it? When it's your own club criticism is born of frustration because you have the club's best interests at heart and you feel it's being let down. When it's a traditional enemy the criticism is usually given with barely disguised glee.
     
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  14. Tobes

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    It's been taken that way, when Carragher was arguably even more critical of the player though.

    In fairness to Neville he took a chunk out of De Gea when he was in poor form early in his United career.
     
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    I and a few others on here have expressed concerns over Karius since his first few games. The responses I got felt to me like I was being accused of scape-goating or being somehow disloyal.
    Nothing could be further from the truth - my loyalties are to the club and I just want what's best for us. We have a good chance of making a serious challenge this season and I don't want to see them jeopardised through some misplaced sense of loyalty to a player who is clearly struggling.
    This isn't me being nasty and picking on him - I'm not writing him off, I'm just saying that he's not ready yet for the pressure this is obviously putting him under. If he comes good in the future and we have a top keeper on our hands then I'll be chuffed, but we're not in a position to allow him to do his learning - mistakes and all - in the first team.
    Klopp has never blindly stuck with other players who aren't doing well, and despite his wholly expected and justified public backing of Karius, I can't see him giving him much longer unless his game improves rapidly.
     
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  16. LuisDiazgamechanger

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    It will be wrong to accuse Klopp of being loyal to Karius because of being German. The question I would like to ask is if
    another goalkeeper is making the same mistakes, will he be axed or not??.
     
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  17. Tobes

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    I make you bang right mate.

    You can't put the ego of a player in poor form ahead of what's best for the team.

    That said, it's obvious Klopp rates this lad and is persevering with him in the hope that he finds his feet (or his hands lol)

    The spotlight is now firmly on him, which is hardly likely to aid his confidence.
     
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  18. luvgonzo

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    He's got to soak up the pressure and get on with it, if he can improve through this period then he's a strong character and that will bode well for the future. Any more mistakes though and as Saint says Klopp will have to pull him.
     
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  19. astro

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    Stekelenburg is far worse but gets to hide in a team with #noambition
     
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  20. Tobes

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    Nope
     
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