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Things We Think We Think #245

Discussion in 'Hull City' started by Dr.Stanley O'Google, HCFC, Feb 13, 2017.

  1. Dr.Stanley O'Google, HCFC

    Dr.Stanley O'Google, HCFC Well-Known Member

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    1. Disappointment at Arsenal – but that we’re disappointed at all to lose at Arsenal is perhaps a sign of progress. We’ll touch upon Mark Clattenburg’s afternoon shortly, but let’s not let a referee’s performance wholly overshadow City’s, as Marco Silva and his squad can influence only the latter.

    2. City, again, played well. The side kept a pleasing shape and discipline throughout the match, rarely looking anything but compact and organised. The greatest threat to our goal in the first half came from peculiar acts of self-harm when in possession in our own half, a combination of the skiddy surface and unusual hesitancy frequently coughing up the ball. That aside, the Tigers looked every bit a side that’s strongly improving, and but for some more attentive officiating and greater incision with the final ball, a point could have been ours.

    3. Mark Clattenburg had a game he won’t forget in a hurry, but we’re not inclined to go with the popular view on a few points when the referee’s performance is discussed. Two of our number are qualified referees, even if we’ve not taken up whistles in some time, and though it’s not easy to put club loyalty to one side, we are coming at this from a Laws of the game standpoint…

    4. Did Alexis Sanchez handle the ball? Yes he did, replays are conclusive. But was it handball? Hmm. That’s a whole other animal. Some people think the ball striking an arm or hand automatically means handball, but Law 12 states unequivocally that “Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with the hand or arm.”

    It goes on to say:

    The following must be considered:

    •  the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand)
    •  the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball)
    •   the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an infringement
    You’ll notice that notions of ‘unnatural position of the arm’ have been removed from the 2016/17 update of the Laws. That was always a nebulous term that caused more confusion than it cleared up, it isn’t unnatural after all for a player to have his arms away from the body or even high as he runs, makes a shot or stretches to make a tackle. In the case of Sanchez, he was in an odd pose as he stretched to shoot, his arms were raised to provide balance as he shot. The shot struck Jakupović and rebounded on to Sanchez’ hand, changed direction and went in. The ball moved towards the hand rather than the hand to the ball, Sanchez’s hand was where it was as he tried to balance following through from a shot, and although slow motion replays distort the fact, this all happened in a split second, it seems unlikely that Sanchez had the time to process and physically respond to this in such an infinitesimal period of time. Not impossible, he could have chosen to use his hand, but it seems unlikely. Now it seems unjust that the ball can go in off a body part whose use is prohibited by outfield players, but the focus of the letter of the law is deliberateness of action, and because of that we feel the goal should stand.

    5. This makes the referee’s half-time apology all the more strange. We aren’t accustomed to mid-match expressions of remorse when they’re patently vindicated, let alone when sufficient doubt exists as to excuse an official. Perhaps it was an attempt at mitigating City’s displeasure. If so, it failed spectacularly when a far more obvious decision was made incorrectly. There’s an argument for dismissing Theo Walcott when his pathetic tantrum saw a ball hurled at a linesman, though we’d lean more towards an early bedtime with no reading. However, there exists no plausible reason not to send Kieran Gibbs off for an obvious, deliberate denial of a goalscoring opportunity for Lazar Marković. It wasn’t even remotely close to being contentious.

    5a. And no, we don’t buy deliberate bias; referees are proud, professional people whose careers depend upon accuracy. However, the sheer scale of the error does hint at other things, which are still troubling. Does he not know the laws? No, clearly he does. Was the referee just not paying attention? Lazy. Take a week off. Was he afraid of giving a red card against a Big Club? Now we could be onto something. And this isn’t consciously favouring one side either. Referees are an admirable bunch, but they’re also human, and they know at the back of their minds that wrongly issuing major punishment against one of the Sky Sports Mega Clubs will guarantee days of media opprobrium and thunderous, libellous disapproval from their managers, none of which will be adequately punished by the spineless authorities. No such fate awaits if you similarly err against little old Hull City. How could that knowledge, lodged in the subconscious of every official, not occasionally influence and explain a ridiculous decision favouring the favoured?

    6. That we’re all still discussing some of Mr Clattenburg’s decisions two days later demonstrates one thing: video referees may cut down upon some of the more obvious howlers, but whatever their merits, they’ll never get everything correct to the satisfaction of everyone. Football’s just too messy, too imperfect for that. And therein lies its charm.

    7. It’s often easier for us as partisans to scapegoat the referee than to acknowledge the failures of our heroes. It’s worth pointing out that had Oumar Niasse better anticipated the magnificent run of Lazar Marković in the first half, and had Eldin Jakupović not embarked upon an absurd adventure outside his box leading to the dismissal of Sam Clucas and a penalty for Arsenal, City could have taken something from the trip to the Emirates Stadium despite the hand of Sanchez shenanigans.

    8. It was good to see Ahmed Elmohamady back in City colours, and now we have an actual right back in our squad, fit, playing and capable, maybe there’s a big opportunity for our long-serving Egyptian to restore his reputation as a fine deliverer from wide midfield of quality service and not worry as much, if at all, about that unglamorous defending lark. An in-form, focussed Elmohamady, now a player of great experience, is still a very good thing to have in our squad.

    9. City now have a fortnight off to recuperate before a string of “winnable” fixtures. However, we thought the same shortly after losing to Chelsea in October – that, having emerged from a series of difficult games, we could gather points against the lesser lights. And conspicuously failed. A repeat of that ruinous autumn form will surely relegate us. A repeat of our recent form against the big lads will see us safe. Lots of big games await, and we enter them in significantly better condition that some of our relegation rivals. We can’t wait. Sort of.

    10. May we offer up a better ode to Harry Maguire than ‘Arry! ‘Arry!’? How about an appropriation of the Will Grigg song, going…”Harry Maguire! Theo Walcott’s terrified…”

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  2. PattyNchips2

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    its done.. move on?
     
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  3. Isa Kite

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    Good as ever. Re point 6, some say that if video doesn't clear up all controversies, it shouldn't be introduced. As if the police shouldn't investigate every crime because they don't solve all of them. It's got to be an improvement you'd think...
     
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  4. Dr.Stanley O'Google, HCFC

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    All 'news' is, in fact, reporting on the past, Dumbo.
     
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    glad you told me that, and heres me thinking that mystic meg was a journalist
     
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    So it is ok to score goals with your hand. I wish I'd known that in my playing days, I'd have played for England <doh>
     
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  7. John Ex Aberdeen now E.R.

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    I actually don't have a problem with the decision, as there is enough doubt whether it should have been allowed or not. What I do know is if it had happened at the other end it would have been disallowed, and thereby highlight the frustration .
     
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    Excellent piece again. It was never a goal whatever the rules state.
     
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    I dont blame the ref.... he was unsighted.
    I blame the lino.. he was level with play.
    mind you, it all happened so fast.
     
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    OK say it gets ruled out?
    we lost 1 nil instead of 2 nil
    <laugh>
     
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    ...and Gibbs? Should he have got a red?
     
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    On point 8... no, we don't have a RB in the squad. There's no way on this earth Elmo is a RB.

    It was handball too.
     
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    <whistle>
     
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    As goalkeeper?
     
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    Clear handball and straight red for Gibbs. Had his hand not connected with the ball, it would have gone over his shoulder. Handball. The end.
     
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  16. originallambrettaman

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    They're talking about Elabdellaoui, not Elmo.
     
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    Regarding RB - I don't think Elab offers any better protection at RB than Elmo. Both similarly weak defensively.
     
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  18. Quill

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    Thank God. I thought they'd completely lost it.
     
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    No goal scored with the hand, from a ball moving away from the goal, should ever be given (however you chose to read the rules).

    Had the goal been disallowed, nobody would have batted an eyelid, but it's been the most contentious decision of the weekend and even the ref says he got it wrong.
     
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    You wanted a report on this weekends game which didn't mention Clattenburg's performance?

    <doh>
     
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