Off Topic The Politics Thread

Cutting taxes can generate more tax revenue, or at least not make a difference. It's a lot more complex than the nasty Tories taking money away from the poor and giving it to a load of ex-Eton schoolboys

 

In purely simplistic terms it actually isn't!!

 

An error in those circumstances is poor, bordering on unforgivable - but it's an exceptional case.

The definition of poverty in the UK brought in by Gordon Brown is household after-tax income of below 60 per cent of the national average. So its relative. And no matter how wealthy this country gets, under this definition, there will always be people in "poverty" n the UK.

There is dire poverty in the world, but I struggle to believe it is in the UK. There are so many benefit safety nets, it is simply avoidable. Among many social workers now, the test whether a child is in poverty in the UK is whether they are obese. I'm far from convinced that things are the same now as they were 80 years ago after the Great Depression, when there was true poverty and hardship in parts of the UK

 

Good réponse Sb, although i would say that this country worked well before the EU and may do so if it left, Who knows what will happen. We used to trade well with Australia and New Zealand (lamb) then we joined Europe and basically stitched them up. Who does the better lamb and how much does New Zealand lamb now cost?
Take another example of cheaper goods/labour. Look at Tesco v Waitress. Tesco maybe cheaper but look how people are leaving them in their droves and going elsewhere. Quality is quality and people will always trade with us. I watched that 80yrs of Pinewood studios last week and a famous director said that "we have the best crew in the world" and "Every carpenter/set builder wants to be the best". That's why all the good films come to Pinewood for specialist work.
Who's to say if we left Europe we wouldn't offer good incentives for companies to come here? A place you can trust.
For me there are too many scare mongers over us and Europe. We are the second richest country in the EU (if i remember rightly) and many countries need us as much as we need them.
Will be an interesting few months.

 

http://joshuabonehill.net/2015/06/24/golders-green-demonstration-were-going-to-have-an-absolute-gas/

Check this nutter out. It's next Saturday. There's obviously a counter-protest organised of some sort but supposedly it doesn't break any laws so can't be stopped. You'd think it's at least inciting racial hatred. The world is going mad.

 

LATEST FOODBANK FIGURES TOP 900,000: LIFE HAS GOT WORSE NOT BETTER FOR POOREST IN 2013/14, AND THIS IS JUST THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG.

• 913,138 people received three days’ emergency food from Trussell Trust foodbanks in 2013-14 compared to 346,992 in 2012-13
• Figures are ‘tip of the iceberg’ of UK food poverty says Trussell Trust Chairman
• 83% of foodbanks report ‘sanctioning’ is causing rising numbers to turn to them
• Foodbank figures trigger biggest ever faith leader intervention on UK food poverty in modern times.

Over 900,000 adults and children have received three days’ emergency food and support from Trussell Trust foodbanks in the last 12 months, a shocking 163 percent rise on numbers helped in the previous financial year. Despite signs of economic recovery, the poorest have seen incomes squeezed even more than last year reports The Trussell Trust, the UK’s largest foodbank network. More people are being referred to Trussell Trust foodbanks than ever before.

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Static incomes, rising living costs, low pay, underemployment and problems with welfare, especially sanctioning, are significant drivers of the increased demand. 83 percent of Trussell Trust foodbanks surveyed recently [see notes below] reported that benefits sanctions, which have become increasingly harsh, have caused more people to be referred to them for emergency food. Half of referrals to foodbanks in 2013-14 were a result of benefit delays or changes.
The Trussell Trust’s Chairman, Chris Mould, says:

 

Fair enough, believe what you want.

But the books have to be balanced. Labour overspent to the point there was nothing left in the pot. Brown sold off gold reserves for a relatively tiny amount. Somewhere along the line this has to be made up for in some part of the economy or other.

 

There is one simple way to sort out the taxation, make bastards such as amazon actually pay some, it's ****ing criminal the way amazon, Starbucks etc.. get away with it!

 

If you repeat a LIE often enough does it eventually become truth?

 

Cue a few pricks (not on here - in general I mean) saying "ah but Judaism isn't a race" . I cannot for the life of me see how that doesn't break a whole rake of laws. I genuinely despair.

 

Or alternatively, just dont use them?

 

Which lie?

 

I don't but not really the point as others do

 

Tax them on Turnover.

 

This from the Spectator:

The national debt figures are out – £1.2 trillion and rising – and although I hate to say it, the Labour Party has a valid point to make. If you don’t adjust for inflation, Osborne has borrowed more in under four years than the Labour Party borrowed over 13 years. It’s unusual for Ed Balls to talk about debt accumulation as a bad thing, perhaps because his policy remains the accumulation of even more debt. But here’s the story so far:-

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There are some needy cases, I'm sure, but if you give free food away, people will take it. I might have done when I was a student.

I was listening to Left-Wing O'Brien's program on LBC yesterday. The example of a teacher was cited, with three children, whose rent used up all her earned income. She lived in Central London. Listeners suggested she move to a cheaper area. No, she liked the area and didn't want to move. So she and her family are in poverty and a private landlord gets richer...

 

I said that in another thread.

It's not good that a country as rich as us having food banks, however (and don't throw the race card at me) we have had many people come to this country in recent years and some of those use food banks as well.
I know this for a fact as by mistake a chap brought a load of food to my house one day and i thought Mr's Ellers did some on line shopping. He didn't even say anything other than "heres the food". When she got home she asked what it was? We rang them up and he collected. He said he got the road and house number mixed up. It actually belonged to a Foreign family that we known of. The thing i was gutted about was that food looked better than what the Mrs buys!

 

You cant just go and get it????????!!!!!!!!!!! you have to be assessed and given vouchers by, for example, your GP.

A moment ago you said you found it hard to believe there were such levels of poverty in the UK and now you say you are sure there are some needy cases?

You need to make your mind up my friend.

 

It' isn't great but, on the other hand, if people really do need them then I'd rather they were there than not. They've now become a political football though.

 

I know you did my friend...................... where do you think I got it from?