Off Topic The Politics Thread (Previously the EU/Eurozone Chat thread)

Discussion in 'Horse Racing' started by Ron, Jul 22, 2016.

  1. QuarterMoonII

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    When I come on this site at work without logging on, the adverts always seem to be for Prepaid Funeral Plans. Is somebody trying to tell me something? Does The Donald own the business and he is trying to create trade?

    Argentina had long laid claim to sovereignty of the Falklands, so given we had only a token garrison, the military regime decided to invade to stir up nationalist sentiment at home. The garrison wisely surrendered.

    We then gave the Argentines ample notice that we intended to expel them and they had plenty of time to prepare as our task force steamed from the Northern Hemisphere to the Southern Hemisphere. Although they had modern aeroplanes – Super Étendards bought from the French – they were manned by inexperienced pilots. Their Navy was largely comprised of forty-plus year old antiques that were never going to be any match for the Royal Navy; and withdrew after the General Belgrano was sunk.

    In this version of David and Goliath, David’s slingshot was pretty ineffective and Goliath’s marines and paratroops were a total mismatch for the young conscripts trying to defend Las Malvinas for the invaders.

    Uncle Jeremy was not yet in Parliament but he was doubtless somewhere in London standing on a soapbox advocating a negotiated solution to the problem, even though there was nothing left-wing about the Argentine Junta.
     
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    As Trump is in his seventies, it would be pa not grandpa. <laugh>

    Doubt that he could have found Antarctica as there are no golf courses, casinos or hotels there.
     
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    Yeah, thanks for the history lesson, but I think we all know what happened in the South Atlantic 35 years ago, thanks.

    Plenty of people were calling for a negotiated solution, and the yanks were ready to broker one. But instead, Mrs Thatcher decided to gamble with the lives of British serviceman by sending them on a costly and desperate post colonial adventure. Whilst she struck lucky and got away with it, upwards of 200 British lives were lost reclaiming a sheep covered rock none of them had heard of a few weeks previously, & which her own govt had been negotiating to return to Argentine control.
     
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    Yet the occupants of said island are British and wish to remain British. Thank you Maggie
     
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    Funny how some people’s recollection of history gets distorted in just thirty years... primarily because our PM at the time was Margaret Thatcher, nemesis of the left.

    The “negotiated solution” that the Yanks were trying to broker was nothing of the sort. The Argentines refused to talk to the US – who were only interested in stopping Russia supplying weapons to them – so the US then imposed sanctions on Argentina and Ronald Reagan offered to supply us with equipment.

    At the UN we had proposed a situation where neither Britain nor Argentina had sovereignty and all decisions were down to the residents – who were 100 per cent British descendents as there were no people of Argentine origin living in the Falklands.

    Obviously when Uncle Jeremy is running Britain, all overseas territories will be handed over to the nearest country irrespective of the wishes of the local population. Gibraltar will go to Spain and Ascension Island to Brazil, etc.
     
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    Absolutely correct, I honestly did think about that after I had posted it, but then I thought, well, teenage grandpa's and papa's, maybe that would squeeze it in? Also, maybe papa went down there to check the possibility of opening an ice casino, or frozen golf course? I mean, St. Moritz has a day or two of ice horseracing every Winter, so I understand? Never mind. :emoticon-0100-smile
     
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    Funny how both Maggie Thatcher' and John Major's governments were happy to prepare the handing over of Hong Kong to the Butcher's of Tiananmen Square with barely a quibble, while refusing to offer asylum to the citizens of the Commonwealth who had been residing there for 150 years. No talk of protecting the rights of self determination for the people there.
     
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    Clearly at the Loony Left Academy, the history teacher had only read Mao’s little red book as my Comprehensive school ‘O’ Level in history and my actual life knowledge gives me a convincing winning hand in this argument.

    We used to run what is now the Republic of Ireland but upon independence they did not become part of the Commonwealth. As far as I am aware, there is no reason that they could not apply to join as a self determining state but I think having to recognise The Queen as Head of the Commonwealth would probably be a deal breaker. At the moment, Zimbabwe (formerly Rhodesia) is suspended from the Commonwealth for some trivial democratic reasons.

    The “butchers of Tiananmen Square” are completely irrelevant to this as we did not have any choice in honouring a legally binding agreement and no “citizens of the Commonwealth” were denied asylum because Hong Kong was not a member of the Commonwealth, just as the Falkland Islands, Ascension Island and Gibraltar are not members of the Commonwealth because they are British overseas territories.

    In 1997, Britain’s 99 year lease on Hong Kong expired. As a British colony it had become extremely commercially successful compared to its giant communist neighbour. Not surprisingly, the Chinese were not interested in extending the lease so it had to be handed back to China; therefore, it is not an independent state so it cannot join the Commonwealth.

    Having worked in Hong Kong on a couple of occasions in 1996 and 1997, I can assure you that the number of citizens of British origin is quite small; and why would they want to forfeit their millionaire properties and lifestyles on Victoria Island for a semi in Surbiton? Whilst the Chinese regime’s version of democracy is laughable, they are not going to destroy the economic wealth of the peninsula now that they benefit from control of it. If at some date in the future citizens are forced to flee Hong Kong, I am sure that they would get asylum from Britain and other members of the Commonwealth.

    When Hong Kong was handed back, it is true that the Chinese reneged on their commitment to allow the region to continue to be governed by the free democratic system that the British had implemented before handover, but I think we might have been ill advised to threaten China will fire and fury as the Red Army are a little bit too large for 2 Para to push around.

    Quick, go and Google for something else that happened between 1979 and 1997 so you can blame the Tories because the perfect paragons of virtue on the left of British politics would have done so much better. <laugh>
     
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    <monster>.
     
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    Nice edit, Archie <ok>
     
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    "Trump -- once again -- fails to condemn the alt-right, white supremacists"

    CNN headline. To be fair, not exactly correct, but he could have used stronger words in condemning the riots and these disgusting white supremacists?
     
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    The Donald has to be careful who he alienates back home. Some of those white supremacists voted for him and his approval ratings are already at an all-time low without annoying the Klan.
     
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    so fascists can openly attack and kill people in the land of the free .........no irony there !
     
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    "South Korean President Moon Jae-in rules out war with North Korea."

    "President Moon has said there won't be a new war on the Korean Peninsula. He added that US President Donald Trump has promised to seek Seoul's approval before pursuing any option against its nuclear-armed neighbour."

    In a roundabout way, reminds me of Neville Chamberlain and the infamous 1938 Munich Agreement?
     
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    When I saw this post the line in bold was not in view. I thought you were referring to our QuarterMoon <laugh>
     
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    Seems you're not allowed to speak out against these rape gangs if you belong to Jezza's party then. Forget what disgusting acts these people carry out, best not offend those voters, never mind the victims or the real issue here eh <doh>
     
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    <laugh> I think he would be a worthy forum president, non-executive and ceremonial of course, just to play it safe?
     
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    I think you are confusing me with Prescient Moon... if only I could see the winners before they crossed the line. :emoticon-0101-sadsm
     
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    In the “broad church” of the Labour Party, you can speak out on any issue so long as it appears in the Gospel according to the Lord Jezza. Victorian man hole covers in Islington are safe territory.
     
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