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There is a great piece about the Viera twins in the YEP.

It's a bit long winded but well worth a read...


Leeds United’s teenage midfielder, named after the Brazilian legend, is rapidly making a name for himself in the game. Phil Hay spoke to Simon Collins, the man who helped nurture the Africa-born rising star.

The story of how Ronaldo Vieira found his way to Leeds United would be incomplete without any reference to the clubs who said no. Manchester City were first to look at him and his twin brother Romario without taking them on. Hull City liked Ronaldo but refused to fund the cost of his travel from Leeds. A short trial at Barnsley was another dead end. Football is strangely subjective and even Billy Bremner, Leeds’ most iconic player, waded through the demoralising experience of Arsenal and Chelsea rejecting him on the grounds of height before sticking his studs in their throats but Vieira was in danger of being lost to the game three years ago.

This is the boy who spoke precious little English when his family emigrated from Portugal in 2011. This is the boy who was 17 when Leeds finally picked him up. Even the Vieiras’ relocation to England was a decision based on circumstance rather than choice. Ronaldo has talked of his father struggling to find work at a time of economic strife in Portugal and of his mum holding down two jobs to pay for their keep. Born in Guinea-Bissau in West Africa, he and his brother found a way into Benfica’s youngest youth teams but left Lisbon before Benfica could make anything of them.

Simon Collins, once a development coach with Leeds and at the time a member of Manchester City’s staff, encountered the Vieira twins a year or so after they settled in Yorkshire. He remembers Romario as “the organiser, the one who spoke a bit of English, the one who got them from here to there”. He remembers being told how he was “taking the p***” when he informed a colleague about two talented Portuguese teenagers with names to die for. The brothers were playing for Batley Phoenix in the Huddersfield Junior League and earned the chance to trial for Manchester City at a development centre set up by City at Thomas Danby College. “It didn’t work out,” Collins says, “but I was running an Under-15s team at Wortley Juniors so I suggested they come and train with us. They were Under-13s, two years younger than everyone else, but it didn’t matter. The two of them were fantastic.

“Ronaldo spoke little or no English and Romario only spoke a bit. Romario was the organiser and they needed organising. They were living in Birstall, just off the M621, so getting to training meant taxis, buses, all of that. It was like that for them right up until Leeds took them on.”

Collins left Wortley Juniors and for a short time, in his words, the Vieiras fizzled out. But in 2014, Inspire 2 Independence – a company establish with the original aim of finding work for the unemployed – created the i2i Football Academy in York, a training centre based at and allied with York College. Mike Morton, who had also worked previously with Leeds and Manchester City, took the role of head of academy and Collins joined as head coach. They combined those jobs with running the first team at non-league Tadcaster Albion. “I’d kept in touch with the boys (the Vieiras) via social media,” Collins says. “I told Mike I knew these two Portuguese kids who’d be worth having a look at. I told him their first names and he said ‘you’re taking the p***.’ I told him their second name and he told me to get out.”

The Vieiras’ parents were football fanatics and obsessed with the Brazilian game. “The boys were born in 1998, the year of the World Cup in France,” Collins says. “Ronaldo was the best player in the world at the time. I suppose it was obvious to call the other one Romario.” The Vieiras had moved from Birstall to Gipton by then and the brothers were attending the Co-operative Academy school, not far off the A64 in central Leeds. Collins’ commute from Headingley to York allowed him to drive them through. Alongside their coaching with i2i, Ronaldo and Romario began business courses at York College.

Ronaldo completed his before turning professional with Leeds last year. Romario gravitated to a sports-related course. “I’d say Ronaldo was the more academic,” Collins said, “but it was all a big commitment for them. They’d be leaving at seven, half-seven in the morning to get through to York for nine. Sometimes we’d train until 6 o’clock on a Friday evening and after that they’d have to jump on a bus home.

The plan at i2i is to make sure we do no less than 10 to 15 hours coaching a week. Any less than that just isn’t enough.” The point of i2i’s scheme is to offer academy-style coaching to players outwith the professional system and players who have been cast aside by it. At a younger age, Collins and Morton both felt Romario was a better player than Ronaldo; “more dynamic than Ronaldo who liked to keep it simple,” Collins recalls. “What Romario struggled with was growing. Ronaldo developed really quickly and almost became a man overnight. Romario found the change in his body more difficult and struggled a bit more with co-ordination, that sort of thing. But I think he’s come out the other side of that now.”

Ronaldo spent two years with i2i before a short trial with Leeds earned him a scholarship. By then, Barnsley and Hull had cast their eye over him but decided not to bother. “Barnsley said no,” Collins says. “With Hull it was more down to the fact that they weren’t willing to pay for his travel. I think they were keen but it wasn’t really possible for him to get there without some help. “York City wanted him but they didn’t have an Under-21s team and by that stage we felt that he would be able to play in the Championship anyway.

Leeds took him on, liked him straight away, and signed him up.” Ronaldo was tied to a two-year scholarship in 2015 but did not get 12 months through that deal before Leeds gave him a senior contract. He turned professional on May 5, 2016 and made his debut as a substitute away at Preston North End two days later, the last game of Steve Evans’ reign as head coach. “We were at that game,” Collins says. “It gave me chills down my back watching a player who had worked with us coming on in the Championship.” He felt the same when he sat down in front of the television for the second half of Leeds’ 1-0 win over Derby last Friday. Vieira was bombastic and Derby manager Steve McClaren summed up the 18-year-old’s performance in the centre of midfield in two words. “Vieira. Wow.” “When we first set all this up at i2i I think the ultimate goal was to see one of our players on live TV in a game like that,” Collins says. Throughout their lives, from street football in Guinea-Bissau to the structure of Thorp Arch, the Vieira brothers have gone hand-in-hand. Romario followed Ronaldo into the academy at Thorp Arch and when the latter agreed an improved contract last September, Romario signed his first professional deal on the same day.

Ex-Leeds striker Richard Cresswell acts for i2i as one of their agents. Romario, a holding midfielder, showed enough talent in his younger years for Collins to think that he can do what his exceptional twin is doing now. His twin is so exceptional and so highly rated by the likes of McClaren that Leeds might find themselves offering Ronaldo another contract before long. On Monday, the brothers made time to attend an open day held by the i2i academy at York College and took part in a question-and-answer session with other potential recruits. Ronaldo, who in the past has named Real Madrid’s Toni Kroos as a role model (“as soon as he gets the ball he knows what he’s wanting to do. Before every game I look at a couple of his clips”), proves the point that professional academies are not the only gateway to the Football League or beyond, “What we try to say to these players, especially those who’ve been in club academies and then left, is that it doesn’t have to be the end for them,” Collins said. “They’re still young enough to find a career in football. I don’t know if Ronaldo or Romario thought it would happen but we wanted to help them and they were willing to help themselves.” As stories go, this is one to follow.

 

Morning all. Remember who was Leeds owner when they were signed? Cellino. Not all bad eh?

 

A number of sources including the Daily Express (they wouldn't lie surely ) are reporting this story...


Leeds United are planning a £300,000 bid for Bradford defender James Meredith.

According to a report in the Daily Star the Australian is being lined up as a replacement for Charlie Taylor.

Meredith and Taylor are in exactly the same position with their contracts running out in the summer. Both clubs are looking to retain the left-back’s but have put plans in place if any bids emerge before the end of the month.

Meredith has been in outstanding form for Bradford and at the age of 28 would jump at the chance to play at a higher level.

Gary Monk is juggling the fact that he wants to hold on to Taylor but could be forced into a bid for Meredith due to interest from Norwich.

 

Not bad at all Eire. Morning btw

 

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CLUB MAKE EMPHATIC DECISION AFTER GRADEL REPORTEDLY IN £3M ADVANCED TALKS – SKY

Watford are not interested in signing Max Gradel from Bournemouth this month, according to a report.

The Mirror claimed on their transfer blog on Tuesday (10.15am) that former Leeds, Leicester and St Etienne winger Gradel was close to agreeing a £3million transfer from the Cherries to mid-table rivals Watford.

But Sky Sports dismissed the possibility of the Ivory Coast international heading to Vicarage Road during the January window.

The broadcaster claimed on its transfer centre blog on Wednesday (10am) that Walter Mazzarri’s side were not pursuing a move for Gradel and that talks were not taking place.

This paves the way for another club to make a swoop for Gradel, who is on the fringes of the Bournemouth team after being hit by a series of injuries.

The 29-year-old joined Bournemouth for a second spell in the summer of 2015 from French club St Etienne for a fee of £7million.

But he has lived up to his transfer fee and has been a disappointment on the south coast, making just seven appearances for the Cherries in all competitions this season.

Gradel suffered a serious knee injury last season and Bournemouth responded by showing great faith in the winger with a new contract last summer that runs until 2020.

With Eddie Howe having other wide options such as Jordon Ibe and Junior Stanislas, Gradel has had to play second fiddle this season.

Yet there is little doubting the calibre of the Leeds icon, who is a hugely popular former player at not only the Yorkshire giants but also St Etienne.

The 49-times Ivory Coast international was an instrumental figure in Leeds’ promotion from League One during his two-year spell at the club from 2009 to 2011, when he scored 25 goals and supplied 15 assists in 82 matches for the club.

 

Looks like trouble loading the above tweet, which is a deal done between Adrian Bevington, yeah the ex Prem league boss who now has a sports PR company and Radrizzani. Morning by the way

 

Morning Doc, suppose we have to trust Rad. He has a good reputation amongst other clubs

 

Morning all. Still hope we can hang on to Taylor, especially as we're likely to be in the play offs.

On Gradel, I'd welcome him back as he would still be better than what we have and push the overall quality of the squad up a bit.

 

Morning Boggers, yeah, I'd take Gradel back too.

We'll hang on to Taylor. TBH, with the 360 degree turnabout in our fortunes, why wouldn't he want to stay?

 

Morning All

Meredith's name was toted around round Chrsitmas time for me it a place we need to sure up cos I think Denton needs to go out on loan.

 

I certainly would not pay £3 million for Gradel at his age and with his injuries. I cannot see him improving our squad in any case. Next 4 games away from home.

 

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Gianfranco Zola is the first Birmingham City boss since 1889 not to win any of his opening seven matches in charge.

Bet we would have taken him at the beginning of the season...

 

Has anyone kept much of an eye on Gradel over past 18 months. I certainly havent and just wondering what sort of forms he been showing. To best of my knowledge, his best days were at Leeds

 

One word "agent"

 

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Robbie Keane confirms offers from ‘a few’ Championship clubs – but NOT from Leeds United or Wolves

 

Gradel's been crocked fur the most part... saw a brief cameo for Bournemouth recently - he looked slow and way off the pace. Not saying he can't get it back, I hope he does but I don't think he'd hit the ground running, which is kind of important in a January signing.

Would I take the gradel we had? Absolutely - he's just the sort of player we need to give options to stretch defences. Don't think he's that player at this moment in time.

 

Haven't Taylor and Byram got the same agent? and from what I understand the agent and Celino aren't exactly Best Friends Forever

 

I read that Keane wanted to come back to Britain on a Facebook group, a few would have him back and a few want kids but supposedly we're after Ward at Rotherham or some Congolese guy at Forest

 

I think they have. Surely a good opportunity for Rad to step in and do the negotiations with Taylors agent. Maybe Taylors value to us has slipped given were winning without him. Who knows?