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Match Day Thread The best players who left since SAF retired ?

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  1. Christiansmith

    Christiansmith Well-Known Member

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    RVP is coming back tonight. But should he have been sold in the first place ? Did he have one or two years left in him?

    Who is/are the best player (s) who left United but who could have stayed and played in the first team? There are the likes of Vidic, Evra, Welbeck, Hernandez, Di Maria, Fletcher,RVP. The obvious candidate is Di Maria but anyone who had been more settled?


    For me it would be Evra.
    Evra had at least a couple of years left in him and his departure left a big gap in the team.
     
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  2. Diego

    Diego Lone Ranger

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    Evra and Hernandez for me, Welbeck should have been good enough but never stayed fit long enough to force his case (plus he had some good players ahead of him).
     
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    cytrax Well-Known Member

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    To back that up, Welbeck hasn't exactly stayed fit since he left. Selling Hernandez was definitely a major co*k-up by LvG.
     
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    glazerfodder Well-Known Member

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    Agree with Evra and Hernandez. Vidic was just on the decline when he left and, as much as it seemed wrong at the time, we certainly dodged a bullet with Welbeck in terms of his injury record.
     
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    Christiansmith Well-Known Member

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    Hernandez has had enough chances with Moyes but maybe the system didn't do him any favours. He never delivered.
     
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    Hernandez wanted to be first choice centre forward and did not perform when he was sub. Not sure he'd have been as good as he now is if he'd stayed.

    Van Gaal should have kept him or RVP last season tough, with van Persie being the preference. We needed the extra striker, he could very well have been the difference between us being 4th or 5th.

    He should have never left us, was great to see him and for him to score last night.

    The silver lining was the van Gaal ****ed off when we finished fifth of course.
     
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    I think Rio hit the nail on the head with his comments about Hernandez - he knew he would never be number 1 at Utd and couldn't cope with that. Same at Real when he was on loan - as soon as it became obvious he was only going to be used sparingly he didn't perform.

    Definitely agree we should have kept RVP - I think by that point LVG recognised that his only plus point was giving young players a chance, so sold him purely because of age. If RVP was willing to stay and only play half the games a season I think he'd have made the difference between 4th and 5th. Although with the provision that it wouldn't have been great if it kept LVG in a job!

    Welbeck is a difficult one - the injury problems he's had make it look like we dodged a bullet. But most of his problems seems to be linked to Arsenal's misdiagnosis of his initial injury and subsequent mismanagement of his recovery. It's a running theme with Arsenal - Wilshere, Ramsey, Ox, seems like there's no player Arsenal can't rush back to fitness quickly enough to injure them again. Impossible to say if Welbeck would have had the same problems under the care of a competent medical and coaching team.

    Either way, avoiding hindsight, I don't think we should have sold Welbeck. Local lad who gets the club and whilst his goalscoring record wasn't great it was unforgivable to sell him on the basis that we'd signed Falcao.
     
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    Christiansmith Well-Known Member

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    This.

    A decision which upset a few people at the time. Would any manager dare sell Rashford, even if there was some high profile striker available? What made LVG's decision even more incomprehensible was soon after Welbeck left United had a spate of injuries which meant that we were left without a striker.
     
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    Agreed, we shouldn't have sold him and that hasn't changed.

    To off load a local lad in favour of Falcao was scandalous and I said so at the time, as did one or two others.

    Not sure on Evra, who was mentioned. Much as I love the bloke we are covered there at left back in Blind and Shaw. I think it was correct him leaving. Admittedly it's only now that we look good at left back, van Gaal didn't really go about it very well.

    Like most things.
     
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    Why is Schneiderlin being booted out while Fellaini starts the majority of games?
     
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  11. Red Hadron Collider

    Red Hadron Collider The Hammerhead

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    Because Mourinho's lost the ****ing plot?
     
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  12. ArtisanWenger

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    You should have gotten rid of rooney,saving you a lot of wages,getting a decent fee...let rvp take back his fitness and training regime into his own hands,he was a very very special player.
     
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    The bit in bold. I can't honestly think of a club who would have paid a decent fee and matched his wages so what you're suggesting isn't really that simple.

    We should definitely have kept van Persie though and myself and a few others on here said as much at the time. There is no doubt whatsoever that had he still been in the squad last season he would have been the person to get the goals that would have secured us 4th. No doubt.
     
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    Yeah,you are correct the wages were a huge problem,but saf had given enough hints and even created a controversy,moyes should have bit the bullet and got rid of him to chelsea...but when you look at it from the choosen ones point of view,he saw the next captain,an english symbol to give him stability and lead him into a new era and to be frank he was your best player that season getting the most goals from.an amf position that he did with consequent van gaal seasons.

    You should have independently considered ponchettino,klopp more strongly it so happened that the latter was available exactly wjen youbwere top of the table...also conte and allegiri as well bit you missed the boat time and again...but either you stick with jose and let hin see this through or scrape him quickly and get someone,if you get stuck in between again that would be a lot of missed opportunities again.

    Its not like there arent coaches you couldnt grab if push comes to shove like unai emery,sampaoli etc...there seems to be a coaching sensation every season now.
     
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    We need to stick with Mourinho. To get rid of another and start again would be a disaster.

    I still think we can get fourth, although it'll be a hard task given there are four decent teams currently ahead of us, plus Spurs.

    We just do not need another europa league campaign next season and that alone should be the incentive to get to fourth and push on from there.
     
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    If we are being really rational you would want mourinho to build his 11 week in week out in the premiership and cup competitions and make winning the europa league your main priority.

    Not only are there 4 worldclass managers ahead off you who have already found most of their first team and formation,bot chelsea and liverpool have no european commitments.
     
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    We don't need to save any wages or raise a fee from sales. We bring in £50m in profits per year and had over £200m in the bank at the end of the last season, so there's nothing really to be taken by following the Wenger route of selling players for profit and to keep shareholders happy when all it does is stagnate the team.

    Rooney's not as good as he was, but he is still our top source of assists this year, twice as many as any of our other players, including assisting half of Zlatan's goals. No point throwing that away until another player has proven themselves able to do the same from number 10, which Pogba clearly hasn't.

    No, the league must always be the priority. A cup campaign can fall on a single bad result, poor decision or bit of bad luck, whilst the league always goes to the most deserving team come the end of the year.

    I wouldn't be happy with Mourinho accepting 5th or 6th place to chase the EL any more than we were happy with LVG accepting 5th so he could smack the FA Cup down in his post match press conference like it made him a success.

    Tho' I do agree we should have gone for Klopp over Moyes - that was a bad decision, probably the worst one since SAF retired.
     
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  18. ArtisanWenger

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    Excellent,in meant if you were to get rid of one of rooney and robin to make space,might as well have been rooney

    And go aheqd and prioritize the league,you alreqdy had many bad results..you wnt finish higher than 5th and if you fail to win europa league as well,you will be in trouble.
     
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    Didn't need to get rid of either, same way we didn't need to get rid of Welbeck. We don't need to start thinking like a selling club - just look at how that has hurt Arsenal, Spurs and Liverpool over the past decade.

    Every time they get close to the top they sell a top player who they think they can replace in the future. But they can't. We made the same mistake selling RVP, and would do the same if we ditched Rooney without having a quality replacement already there.

    But no, you're absolutely right. A six point gap after 11 games is insurmountable. May as well just give up now <ok>
     
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  20. ArtisanWenger

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    Get off your high horse,why did you sell RVP and Welbeck if as in your words you DID NOT NEEED to?


    Without Rooney your team has veen having better results,the players are in your team already...you are getting rid of him so that he is not a distraction to the daily bussiness.


    Are you not 8 points behind liverpool?Oh you meant top 4?We will see what happens by end of Jan 1st week we might see if you were right to not make europa a priority and follow through.

    I will see you then.
     
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