Spare Parts (F1 odds and ends)

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  1. Big Ern

    Big Ern Well-Known Member

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    I'm not, I expect the other engine manufacturers to have made more gains than Mercedes, and aero is Newey's thing, so I expect RBR to be right up there. A 3-way battle between Max, Danny and Lewis, with Valteri possibly in there too, would be great for the sport.
     
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  2. allsaintchris.

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    They are always going to be up there, all other eyes will be on RBR and what they can produce. Can't see anyone else offering any competition, Ferrari are already moaning about suspension stuff, which usually means they haven't go their version of something complicated to work so they will try and get it banned instead.
     
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  3. Big Ern

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    which it should be, FRICS was banned, just because they found a different way of implementing it doesn't change that, spirit of the rules etc. And, to be fair, they got away with it for long enough, poor renault didn't even get a single race with their ride height control.
     
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    To me the problem is the system by which rules are challenged. If a team build something they believe is within the rules fine. If subsequently a team or scrutineer challenges the system then the decision should be made if a system is allowable or not.
    Not a team challenges a system Charlie issues guidance but the guidance is not binding. So we have to wait for a team to actually object to a system at a race and then the scrutineers make a decision.
    This decision should be made formally before a race by the teams submitting full details to FIA.
     
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  5. Big Ern

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    lol, the main real problem is motor-sports is full of cheats, F1 is worse cos they're all geniuses too, a sport of Lex Luthers and Dr Evils
     
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    The genius bit is the problem :). The FIA who write the rules can't afford the geniuses so the 'rules' have holes in. Mind you I do agree that some F1 teams have cheated in the past and unless the FIA do something about interpretation of the rules they will continue to do so.
    Just look at current situation with Merc and Red Bull over their suspension systems. FIA wont actually asses their legality till a race weekend. The ruling should be determined as soon as possible. How stupid do FIA look hrs after a race still deciding who actually won with a legal car? They know their is a question over the suspension so investigate now and publish an answer.

    Lets face it the punishments haven't been much of a deterrent. While there are lots of examples like Honda and their fuel system getting them the odd race ban think about Red Bull and their hand adjustable suspension and no punishment etc. So 'cheat'/exploit a hole in a rule and get caught and maybe risk a penalty maybe not. It's not like breaking the rules lands anyone in jail. So it's probably worth the risk. Then again what has VW done to it's reputation over emissions? Not that I think they actually did anything wrong, just as normal the people writing the rules didn't have the geniuses writing them. If a rule says a component must pass a test (like Red Bull front wing) then you design the wing to pass the test. You don't design it to an imaginary 'spirit' of a rule.

    So really FIA need to do much better. Maybe all design plans must be submitted to FIA and approved before they are allowed to race the parts?

    Sorry for going on :)
     
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  7. allsaintchris.

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    RBR got away with their flexi-floors and wings for long enough because of a clever way they found to manipulate the loading tests. Everyone knew what they were doing, the cameras could show what they were doing, but the tests couldn't make the wings do it, so it was legal!

    Geniuses/cheats all of them as you say. The thought creativity is very impressive, but ultimately when it goes to far it does harm the 'sport'.
     
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    It's a self created problem. F1 rules are so tight there's no room for creativity. The only way to gain is to push interpretations to their limit.
     
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    because he's a whiney hypocrite
     
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    maybe a bit strong but he is a whiny ****er no question.

    I like my stars to take it on the chin and suck up the knocks not whine and whine and whine.

    I'd rather he throw a helmet across the garage or punch wolff than whine at me on interviews to get his way.
     
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  12. Mr.B

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    I used to detest the guy, but after seeing / hearing a couple of his interviews, I realised I was putting too much trust in the media reporting his words.

    He still isn't my favourite, and there are aspects to his personality that I still dislike. He is whiney. He is manipulative. But in these days of clickbait, reality TV, advert-driven funding, and exposure-driven celebrities, I have to remind myself that media 'stories' are becoming as untrustworthy as a politician's electoral claims. It's less about 'reporting' and more about 'attracting'.

    Every time that I've seen a verbatim quote, or heard an actual interview, I've ended up angry that I can no longer trust a lot of media sources.
     
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    Yeah, he's an F1 driver.

    Name one which isn't!?
     
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    yeah, but he's by far the worst, whinier than Mansell and more hypocritical than Prost.
     
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    He's a winner, 3 times world champion, more money than he can count. Keep crying snowflake
     
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  16. allsaintchris.

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    Only because you chose to read everything that way.

    Even if he says something that's fie, you'll mock it as corporate speak or insincere.
     
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    When people drive like he does first thing he does is find a camera and whine into it, then all the fawners, apologists, sycophants and conspiracy nutters say 'aw, poor Lewis, it's soo unfair'.
     
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    Unlike Alonso to wade in with bullshir....

    McLaren driver Fernando Alonso quipped former team-mate Lewis Hamilton might have beaten Nico Rosberg to the 2016 title "if he was watching more data" from the German.
     
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    So GP2 is now F2. What will happen to GP3?
     
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