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Retrospective diving bans: Yay or Nay?

Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by Zingy, Jan 17, 2017.

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Should this be introduced?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  3. Who gives a ****?

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  1. Garlic Klopp

    Garlic Klopp Well-Known Member

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    When they introduced it in Scotland they had very few retrospective decisions to make as most players stopped diving as they knew there could be a retrospective punishment. It seems the mere fact such a system exists was enough to deter most players.
     
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  2. Garlic Klopp

    Garlic Klopp Well-Known Member

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    Mike Dean has been demoted to the championship, probably because of the mad sending off at West Ham
     
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  3. Lucaaas

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    I just don't understand this countries obsession with diving. Yeah, its not great to see someone cheating but I'd rather concede a penalty from someone diving at my feet than being tackled studs up as Milner was done by Rooney in the Manc game, miss 9 months due to injury and then have the rest of my career hampered by an injury from that type of tackle.
     
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  4. Solid_Air 2

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    Sounds very tempting but have some doubts re who makes the judgement plus as already said why a greater penalty after the event rather than during the game.Show replay of a "dive to 10 people & rare all 10 will agree.
    Like Lucaas we seem to obsess here regarding diving but chop them down is fine. I still shudder remembering that thug Ron Harris whinging on that "divers are just cheats & should be banished from the game" this coming from a man whose living depends on his reputation as a player who would deliberately set out to injure oppo players which led most famously to Eddie Gray never being able to perform to his full ability again in fact never being free of pain from that leg .
     
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  5. Garlic Klopp

    Garlic Klopp Well-Known Member

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    Chopper Harris played at a time when every club had a hard man to dish it out. Tommy Smith was no angel, remember him taking Ossie Ardiles out.

    Smith's motto was " The man may go past me, the ball may go past me, but the man and the ball, never!"
     
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  6. Zanjinho

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    Depends what they target imo. As I said earlier, if they only punish the blatant; aka no contact, then great. But I agree with not scrutinising every challenge <ok>
     
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  7. Solid_Air 2

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    Harris was a long way lower down the evolutionary scale than Tommy Smith who whilst "dirty" didn't deliberately try to cause injuries
     
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  8. johnsonsbaby

    johnsonsbaby Well-Known Member

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    Refs are never going to see everything and unless video assistance is introduced, they never will. I'm not advocating video here btw. Today retrospectives for diving, tomorrow complete retrospective refereeing :huh:
     
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  9. InBiscanWeTrust

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    But it's not one or the other? Not like you can say, if we allow diving it means all bad tackles will stop. Keep or ban diving, you'll still get ban tackles
     
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  10. Zingy

    Zingy #ziggywould

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    Instant video I could advocate. Like NFL, if the (assistant) referee sees something questionable they could flag it, play goes on and then when the ball is dead play the advantage or review the flag (if play leads to a goal or a situation that could lead to an immediate goal). It shouldn't ever be used to review a situation where nothing has been flagged, like a goal was scored, but nothing was seen prior the goal but the ref checks anyway. There must be a system that would improve terrible decisions that ruin the game.
     
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  11. jenners04

    jenners04 I must not post porn!

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    Diving will happen whether we like it or not.

    Managers encourage their players to go down, never prove it though until after they have retired as no player wants to alienate their manager or employer ie club.

    The whole system is a joke from managers players and fa fifa etc.

    Money is the problem as it encourages the cheating as it's huge the impact it has on the game nowdays.
     
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  12. johnsonsbaby

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    I've always said that the standard of football has outpaced and continues to outpace refereeing. We see terrible decisions every week. I suppose in the end it's swings and roundabouts as all teams both benefit and suffer from refs decisions. The thing that irks me most isn't the unseen but blatant 'seen' that never actually happened. It's easier to forgive a missed offside, for example, than an offside given when the player is clearly onside - that just shouldn't happen as it's purely guesswork.
     
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  13. Zingy

    Zingy #ziggywould

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    Again, this is where Rugby has kept up to date with the modern game. The players are now professional 100kg+ Athletes sprinting and bashing into each other at high speeds. A bad decision in football can have a knock on effect and cost a club millions.
     
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  14. FedLadSonOfAnfield

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    Yes, if you can't use a road and operate a vehicle sensibly you don't deserve to ... oh wait
     
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  15. Zingy

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    Reminds me, never heard an update on @InBiscanWeTrust driving misdemeanor.
     
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  16. johnsonsbaby

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    Very true. There's a counter argument though, if you clean it up too much it becomes sanitised and removes the after match 'banter' about contentious points during the game.
     
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  17. Zingy

    Zingy #ziggywould

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    That is a great point. It's always funny when United suffer at the hands of a bad deci.....**** that, never happens. They always get the bad decisions going for them <grr>

    Get the technology in now. <ok>
     
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  18. FedLadSonOfAnfield

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    What the blow job he gave his boyfriend whilst driving his car along the A27 ??
     
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  19. Zingy

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    Maybe he gave a blowjob to avoid the fine? :huh:
     
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  20. DirtyFrank

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    Hey tbf it hasn't remotely sanatised Rugby...for a while weaker refs did have a tendency to just kick it up to the TMO every rime but I think that's better than making a wrong decision..

    Take Clattenburg for example...he's not a stupid ref he's a yellow one that just doesn't make any big calls...you could be damn sure he'd be the exact type to rush to TMO rather than make the call himself...which as I say would at least make the correct result.

    And you still get debate if a ref doesn't go to video etc..you just know Mike Dean wouldn't refer lol...

    I think where Rugby is ahead of football is that the linesman's opinions seem to have more weight with the ref.. they actually look out for fouls and if called the ref takes their word for it...slightly easier in Rugby as the game has more stationary moments...

    The live mics is another one I don't understand...football seems to think football players can't control their language like rugby players ....it's more than a touch insulting since...what is it? A throw back to the class ****e with rugby players being educated and football players not?

    I just think we infantilise footballers too much then whinge when they act like overgrown children.

    Bring in everything Rugby has and let footballers (and football managers) grow the **** up. Maybe we'll get more actual football played rather than diving, arguing and posturing on the pitch!
     
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