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Off Topic Predict the outcome Poll

Discussion in 'Watford' started by yorkshirehornet, Jun 7, 2017.

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Who will win???

Poll closed Jun 8, 2017.
  1. Conservatives with 50 plus majority

    4 vote(s)
    21.1%
  2. Conservatives with 25 plus majority

    3 vote(s)
    15.8%
  3. Conservatives with 1- 24 majority

    6 vote(s)
    31.6%
  4. Hung Parliament - Conservatives the biggest party

    1 vote(s)
    5.3%
  5. Hung Parliament - Labour the biggest party

    2 vote(s)
    10.5%
  6. Labour with 1- 24 majority

    2 vote(s)
    10.5%
  7. Labour with 25 plus majority

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. Labour with 50 plus majority

    1 vote(s)
    5.3%
  1. yorkshirehornet

    yorkshirehornet Well-Known Member

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    Just a bit of fun ..... but vote on what you think the outcome of the GE will be....
    No matter what you vote....


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  2. Bolton's Boots

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    Hung parliament with Labour the biggest party.

    And if Abbott had gone a couple of days earlier, I would have said Labour with a small majority...
     
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  3. Hornet-Fez

    Hornet-Fez Well-Known Member

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    Tories. Because the sheeple will not get past the Murdoch/Barclay bros and other non dom newspaper owners headline lies. I have no faith in a happy outcome... which would be as BB said above. We need consensus politics not divisive ones.
     
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  4. Jsybarry

    Jsybarry Well-Known Member

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    It would be interesting to know what the results would be if PR was in place, but to quote from Yes, (Prime) Minister "No Government is going to kick away the ladder it climbed to get to the top". Also, would the media have such a big impact if there was PR?
     
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  5. superhorns

    superhorns Well-Known Member

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    I do not believe the UK electorate are ill-informed or daft enough to let Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott anywhere near power. The Tories are the only credible option if utter chaos is to be avoided.

    VOTE CONSERVATIVE.
     
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  6. Hornette_TID

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    If labour win i will be massively disappointed. I cannot vote for anyone who has such anti Israel views..sad to say. This election i may just change my lifetime voting rule.
     
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  7. oldfrenchhorn

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    Apart from the referendum, I did not vote after I moved to France. This time I have, but I really struggled as the smaller parties were squeezed, and it was back to the old and tired two party tribal system. I stood on the steps of Watford Town Hall in 1959, as the returning officer announced that right wing Farey-Jones had been returned, seeing off the left wing Renee Short. I was too young to have a vote, but would not have really wanted either of them. Since that night my concern has always been to see a government that governs for all, not just for the rich, or for the unions, something that has not always been simple to decide. This time it is the same. A government that has lied to me personally, or an opposition with a serial rebel as it's leader. I am just so sad to see the country descend to these levels.
     
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  8. colognehornet

    colognehornet Well-Known Member

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    I believe that Corbyn supports the 2 state solution and feels the Palestinians are being badly treated by Israel - this is a different thing to being anti Israel. Would a person be anti American for criticizing Guantanamo ? Corbyn has spoken out against human rights abuse throughout his entire life, and he is not going to stop now. He has attended meetings where some dubious characters have been present - but this is more due to his believe in maintaining dialogue ie. to speak anywhere, at any time. To criticize actions of the Israeli government is a different thing to being anti Israel, and it is a thousand miles away from being anti semitic.
     
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  9. yorkshirehornet

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    latest COMRES poll predicts 74 seat Tory win.................
     
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  10. colognehornet

    colognehornet Well-Known Member

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    There was a time when opinion polling was stopped just before an election Yorkie - I think 3 days before (or was it a week ?) This appears to be another undemocratic practice which has crept into British politics over the last couple of decades. The creeping erosion of British democracy is alarming when seen from a distance.
     
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    From what I read and hear, the results will depend on if the young voters can find a few minutes to visit the polling station. Pollsters do not know how to count them if more than the 43% should turn up.
     
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  12. colognehornet

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    The results may also depend on tactical voting, something which opinion polls cannot measure. What are people supposed to do - vote Tory because they already have a negotiating principle on Brexit, thus going under the principle 'they got us into this mess, so they have to get us out of it'. My advice tomorrow is - wherever you are vote for the candidate who is most likely to beat the local Tory (what else can you do without PR ?).
     
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    This sounds about right, hopefully not many will be taken in by Labour's uncosted spending spree.
     
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    Your prediction of the demise of the UK two party system looks less likely than ever.
     
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    Either way, if I am wrong, didnĀ“t TM call this to win more seats but might end up losing some.

    That is just daft!
     
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  16. colognehornet

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    Have a good day SH. Put your feet up and relax at home - I mean your vote won't make any real difference will it ? Who knows, it could rain on the way to the polling booth - and then you will just get wet - don't bother, just stay at home.
     
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  17. oldfrenchhorn

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    Once again I am reading that many people here have not received their ballot papers, with some reporting that they arrived yesterday. You might think it is the postal systems at fault, but it seems to be the same people, hence the same councils who have denied these people the chance to vote.
     
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  18. wear_yellow

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    No, H has it exactly as it is. All of a sudden Corbyn puts on a half decent suit and trims his beard and he is now a global statesmen trying to engage will all to cure the ills of the world - trouble is, history paints a very different picture.
    When Corbyn was holding meetings with Hamas (who at the time were a proscribed terrorist organisation according to the UN), did he engage the Israelis? Did he engage Jewish groups in the UK who shared his concerns about Palestine? No, he didn't. Only recently, when he shared a stage with the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, groups linked to IS and various other rebel groups in Egypt - did he take the time to talk to Coptic Christian and other non Muslim groups in Egypt? Only a few weeks ago over 40 Coptic Christians were slaughtered by the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt - did Corbyn condemn them? what about their human rights?
    As in Northern Ireland, Corbyn peddles this myth of being a peace maker, when in reality he only engages with groups he considers as anti-establishment and/or close to his State Socialist politics. Labour has been rife with anti-Jewish and anti-Israel members for years and Corbyn and his mate Livingstone are included - how comes Livingstone has been suspended for so long without a hearing? Hamas are a perfect anti-establishment partner - anti-Israel with it's strong links to the Far Enemy (the US), and anti-Jew, which matches parts of the Labour parties mistrust of the Jewish influence in the British Establishment.
    This mirrors exactly his meddling in NI. He engaged the IRA to broker peace? Did he need to attend IRA terrorist funerals with shots being fired over the grave to discuss peace?, did he need to attend memorial events for Bobby Sands to discuss peace? Why did he not also engage with the Loyalist community? In reality the IRA were a perfect anti-Establishment partner for Corbyn. One of my biggest frustrations with the hacks on this subject was that they did not ask him if he still supported a united Ireland and why is he was only interested in peace in NI he voted against power sharing and the Good Friday agreement - they just tried and failed to get him to condemn the IRA.
     
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  19. colognehornet

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    I will respond more to this when I have more time W_Y. However - are we all guilty by association and to be judged by those people who we have met at some stage ? Was Margaret Thatcher by definition a Fascist because she listed Pinochet amongst her best friends ? Was Neville Chamberlain a Nazi sympathiser because he met, and talked with, Hitler and Mussolini ? The answer to those must be in the negative - politics and statesmanship are about remaining in dialogue with people, and, if this applies, to keeping in dialogue with rogue states such as Saudi Arabia - then it can also apply to dialogue with non state organizations. I agree that some on the far left have a problem with Judaism - I wish it were not so, but that's the way some are. Reading Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels on 'The Jewish Question' is like a prelude to the holocaust - both had identified Jews as being over represented in 'predatory finance capital', a theme which Hitler was to expand on with devastating consequences - so, being anti Jewish was an extension of being anti Capitalist. There were many other groups which, according to Engels, being incapable of developing a Proletarian consciousness, would be 'Cast upon the dung heap of history' - the Scottish Highlander was another in this catagory (according to Engels). I'm afraid the roots of International Socialism, were not so 'International' after all. A shame that more Socialists do not remember how prominent Jews have been in the development of socialism - and how many of them learned their trade on the Kibbutz. Having said all of that - I can condemn all anti semitism - but is that the same thing as being anti the Israeli government ? Why should Israel be immune from all criticism because this can be labelled as anti Semitic ? I can criticize every other country's government on this Earth without the suspicion of racism - but not Israel ?
     
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  20. zen guerrilla

    zen guerrilla Well-Known Member

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    I have written this before but here goes, again.

    Anti-Semitism is a strange animal. Generally it is regarded as an anti-Jewish thing, but the Semites are far wider ranging, including the Lebanese, Syrians and Jordanians to name but a few. Also with the muslims trying to portray anything against them as racist is also very wide of the mark as a muslim a Moroccan muslim is very different to a Malaysian muslim; culture and life experience outside their shared belief see to that, although one could say the strictures of their faith are negating the cultural aspect. Jews could claim racism as a threat, but again it is religious bigotry, although being Jewish is sometimes seen as being "a race or people apart".
    Perhaps anti-Zionism would better fit the bill, but that is a political idea far wider ranging than the Israeli government, who's policies are the main source of the dislike of the State of Israel.

    Funny how this site wants to capitalise muslim and do the opposite to Semitism, is that religious bigotry?

    Right, now that is sorted out I shall go and vote.
     
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