Off Topic Oh No..... Not Another Political Joke................

The former needs all the support he can get, even his own MP's are leaving in droves.

 

Not General Election related - Council elections, but a rather hilarious article from the Shetland Times highlighting the problems Tories face in Scotland. Not to mention a hint of fraudulent activity from them...

 

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As I continue to listen to , watch and read about the media assassination of Corbyn... .a sobering thought:

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A good man that people seem to enjoy denigrating.

 

Nice man - rubbish leader - shame. You could not imagine him in control of a government when his party policy on brexit and defence are shambolic. He is not a team player or leader and will not be able to lead a united cabinet. His policies are generally good but the public know a loser when they see one. It was sobering watching interviews across Wales yesterday when many lifelong Labour voters said they would vote Tory rather than for him. Just what we need when we are trying to get rid of TM. Miliband looks good in hindsight - he was amusing on The Last Leg the other week.

 

The underhand tricks those Tories try - I've taught P3 children who could produce a more accurate bar chart than this.

 

They really treat the electorate with so little respect

 

but the electorate love 'em.

 

Seems quite clear to me: the strong message is "Tories do not know how to do graphs"

 

Seem to forget precisely what a second chamber is there to do.... it's NOT there to be a sycophantic, tail wagging, nodding bunch of yes men and women. It is to help us, the people, from being trodden on by poor law, self serving, unctuous, professional politicians with only their best interests at heart.

Which is why the US is in grave danger of becoming a dictatorial, theocratic, fascist nation. We must not follow suit.

 

agreed... populism is in danger of sweeping all aside...... the checks and balances that enshrine our constitution...... from bullying etc

 

Their job is to improve bills not overturn the will of the people. The government's predicted good showing in the forthcoming election will slap some of the Lord's wreckers into place. Many of the Lib Dem peers should be thrown out as being unrepresentative of their tiny contingent in parliament.

 

The second chamber should not divide on party lines......

 

They always do.

 

You seem to overlook that nearly a quarter of the Lords who are crossbenchers have no party affiliation, have no whips, so are able to do what they believe to be right. I would much rather think about what they have to say than simply follow the latest party line which may not be in the best interests of the majority of the population.

 

The problem is the three quarters that are affiliated to political parties dominate the others. It is as tribal as the commons.

 

If you watch debates in the Lords you will see considered opinions being expressed that cut right across party lines. The braying that happens in the commons is missing, and far more facts are aired, rather than Ministers side stepping questions. Just watch, and you will see government Ministers in the Lords looking embarrassed at having to read out statements that have been shown through proper debate to be just plain stupid.

 

I do not disagree with any of this but there is still stark division on party lines similar to the commons.

 

Of course there are divisions, people do not always see the solutions to problems in the same way. As someone used to say in my council, "There are more ways than one of skinning a cat". The problem as you describe it is simply that there are party whips in the Lords. Do away with them, by your comment, and we would then have grown up government, rather than the childish games in the Commons.

 

It may be slightly easier to refuse to toe the party line in the Lords because generally they are past caring about climbing the greasy pole. Notwithstanding I can understand politicians elected under a particular strand of politics being expected to broadly follow that party line, on most issues. Of course there will always be a reasonably wide spectrum of opinion within every party, maybe except the Greens. It could be that is why they are so dull!!