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Mazzarri's future

Discussion in 'Watford' started by Leo, Jan 29, 2017.

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What should happen to Mazzarri

Poll closed Feb 2, 2017.
  1. Go now

    36.8%
  2. Give him till Burnley at least

    21.1%
  3. Give him a month

    5.3%
  4. Give him till end of season then decide

    36.8%
  1. HaslemereKev

    HaslemereKev Well-Known Member

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    Got to admit, I am glad he's gone. I know many outside the club will criticise the club once again because he kept us up... using the clichés of what does a club the size of Watford expect, etc... but if they had to watch some of that dross all season, then not sure they would have a go. Looking at a few twitter accounts from the press, they were getting frustrated with him too

    Constant formation changes, no discernible tactics, players out of position, treatment of some players... then you got to wonder how hard they trained to cause so many muscle injuries. Were they under-cooked form pre-season or worked too hard during? And this isn't even going into his likeability factor - don't care if a manager is likeable as long as he is respected, but it doesn't feel he was that either - there were always excuses for losses!

    The next appointment is going to be big! I wouldn't mind Silva at Hull... I wouldn't want Ranieri, and certainly not with the squad we have.
     
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  2. brian_66_usa

    brian_66_usa Well-Known Member

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    Leonid Slutsky is as high as 4/1 with some bookies to evens with one his CV is not that bad
     
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  3. superhorns

    superhorns Well-Known Member

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    I bet his wife is not pleased with the marital name!!
     
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  4. brian_66_usa

    brian_66_usa Well-Known Member

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    Well the game is all about results so she must be happy there
     
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  5. colognehornet

    colognehornet Well-Known Member

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    He is another one who has never played, or managed, outside of his homeland.
     
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  6. Bolton's Boots

    Bolton's Boots Well-Known Member

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    In fact he rarely played at all, having retired at 19 after sustaining a knee injury - up to then he had only played 13 club games.

    He got the injury when he fell out of a tree whilst rescuing a neighbour's cat - I can but imagine what the press and opposition fans would make of that...
     
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  7. kchorn

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    Well I guess there will be a pause and more speculation. The good thing about the change is the new man will no doubt want at least 3 out and 4 in. And as long as we keep the good and lose a bit of the not so good I think that is no bad thing.

    Wonder who will look after pre-season organisation until the new man is in? It could be we are into July as many countries have fixtures well into June.

    I'd settle for Ranieri because I think something unusual went wrong at Leic in the end. But he clearly is a god coach.
     
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  8. kchorn

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    GOD coach!!! Is he really that good <laugh>
     
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  9. colognehornet

    colognehornet Well-Known Member

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    GT was the only God coach <laugh>
     
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  10. superhorns

    superhorns Well-Known Member

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    It is being suggested that Mazzarri was not displeased by the end of his tenure due to ongoing communication issues. He has probably negotiated a decent payoff with the chance of returning to Italy with his reputation relatively intact.
     
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  11. Saxet

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    Does this Slutty dude speak English?
     
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  12. brian_66_usa

    brian_66_usa Well-Known Member

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    He is a Jewish goalkeeper from Russian dont they all speak English and he is now fav with all most every bookie
     
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  13. Bolton's Boots

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    Apparently not.

    But he's willing to take lessons...
     
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  14. brian_66_usa

    brian_66_usa Well-Known Member

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    His "agent" has sorted out some digs for him its also his best mate a Mr Abramvich you may herd of him. John Terry as part of his back room staff (wages paid for by the agent) .Is it right that Chelsea could only loan us 4 players but they could sell us a few others LOL
     
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  15. Markthehorn

    Markthehorn Well-Known Member

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    Well let's hope whoever it is has the confidence of the players and has more than one mindset tactically..
     
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  16. Mexican Hornet

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    Maybe if Wenger goes, WM will go there and show us we were all wrong.

    MAybe not.
     
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  17. A1 Horn

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    Mike Parkin from 'From The Rookery End' wrote this for ESPN - 5 reasons why it's right for him to go. Anyone disagree with any of it? I think he gets it about spot on:

    Watford will go into their third consecutive Premier League term with a new manager. It was announced on Wednesday that Walter Mazzarri will leave the club after the season finale with Manchester City and while the news may not have come as a shock to many Hornets' fans, why is it that the Italian's services are not being retained?

    1. Ambitious, ruthless ownership

    Since arriving at the club, owner Gino Pozzo has completely transformed Watford's fortunes. Under his stewardship the ground has been developed beyond recognition and the team have transitioned from the bottom of the Championship to relatively comfortable safety in the top flight for two seasons running. He has of course also rattled through a sizeable number of head coaches.

    Mazzarri will be the eighth man dispensed with under the Pozzo regime, and while those outside WD18 may question the sanity of such regular change, the truth is pretty simple: The owners want continued improvement and they aren't afraid to make tough decisions in order to achieve it.

    The watching world was incredulous when Quique Sanchez Flores departed Vicarage Road at the end of last season, but the second half of the season under him was nothing shy of disastrous. His tenure was decisively ended to ensure there was no hangover at the start of the following season, and after an appalling run of results and performances this season, history appears to have repeated itself. For those still not convinced, look at the likes of Newcastle, Sunderland and Aston Villa. Perennial strugglers who didn't make a change until it was too late.

    The Pozzo family famously guided Serie A side Udinese into the Champions League and while it's unlikely they harbour such lofty ambitions for Watford, it is a reminder that a) they have a successful track record in top-flight football, and b) they simply won't accept second best. Some may call it entitled, greedy or foolish. Others would argue, with some merit, that it's well-warranted ambition.

    2. Player power

    One of the knock-on effects of making managers so seemingly expendable is that people notice, and that very clearly includes the players. There have been plenty of murmurings in the media about the squad not being happy with the coach and a run of distinctly lacklustre showings have suggested that they aren't scared about making their feelings known on the pitch, too.

    While Mazzarri was in many ways the architect of his own downfall -- bizarre team choices and formations, an apparent lack of attacking intent, ineffective substitutions and questionable motivational skills to name but a few -- the players must also take a substantial portion of the blame for his failure, and it's hard not to draw the conclusion that the disenfranchised among them knew exactly what they were doing.

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    Watford announced on Wednesday that manager Walter Mazzarri would leave the club following the season.
    3. Communication breakdown

    One of the key issues supporters had with Mazzarri was his communication. All news conferences and interviews were conducted almost exclusively through an interpreter, meaning that fans never felt they truly heard from the head coach directly. This made forming any sort of bond difficult, instead making it easier for apathetic supporters to turn against him when things turned sour.

    The main issue that Mazzarri was never able to convey exactly what his plans were for the team, why he selected the sides he did and what he hoped to achieve from his tactics. Instead, fans were forced to piece together translated soundbites that never really amounted to anything. While no Watford follower would ever want a manager to fail, there was certainly a sense that Mazzarri didn't enjoy the unequivocal support his predecessors were afforded and the inability to successfully communicate undoubtedly played a large part in that.

    4. When they were bad, they were horrid

    Had Mazzarri mastered the language, it would have been fascinating to hear his take on a number of Watford's performances, because all too often they were dismal.

    Highlights such as the come-from-behind win against West Ham, a fine victory against Manchester United and a second win in as many seasons at the Emirates were infrequent bright spots in an otherwise uninspiring season. Watford's defeats under Mazzarri were absolute; once behind there was almost never the sense that the team were set up to mount a comeback, whether that be against a team in the top six or 10-man Hull City.

    Mazzarri clearly set his sides up to be defensively robust, to stay in the game and try to pinch a winner. In the Premier League, against incredibly tough opposition, it's not necessarily a bad idea, but there has to be a backup plan if it fails. On countless occasions, there was precious little evidence that the initial tactics could be deployed, let alone the implementation of a Plan B. When Watford lost, they really lost. It was hard to watch.

    5. It's a results business

    At the time of his announcement, Watford had lost seven games in a row and had failed to score in six of them. It's been a soul-destroying run of form and in any division, in any situation, it's one that is likely to place the manager under threat. With a host of other black marks already against his name, the results in the run-in will have undoubtedly convinced the hierarchy that he isn't up to the job. After hitting the 40-point mark with ease, the final section of the season has seen the Hornets slip from 10th to a probable 17th-place finish.

    Mazzarri delivered Premier League safety for Watford, and for that the club and its supporters are undeniably grateful. But things are changing at Vicarage Road and just good enough is no longer acceptable.
     
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  18. Bolton's Boots

    Bolton's Boots Well-Known Member

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    Just a couple of points...

    1) I'm not convinced that he's correct in saying "eighth man dispensed with" - no-one but the two parties involved really knows what happened in each instance, so as far as I'm concerned GFZ, Beppe, Slav and QSF all walked. The only ones dispensed with were Dyche, McKinlay and now WM, with Garcia leaving on health grounds - so really he should be telling it like it has been announced rather than promulgating a probable media fallacy.

    2) At the time of the announcement, we most certainly had not lost seven in a row, and neither had we failed to score in six of them. He really shouldn't have to research such things, but apparently does have to...
     
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  19. NZHorn

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    Ages ago there were rumours that Fiorentina were lining up WM for next season. Maybe those rumours are still true
     
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  20. Markthehorn

    Markthehorn Well-Known Member

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    Maybe he meant away games?

    As for the 1st point I agree but that would not fit into the media'a agenda!
     
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