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Frankel - Stud Career

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  1. TopClass

    TopClass Well-Known Member

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    The Frankel-Finsceal Beo that ran today for Jim Bolger,i noted how small that horse looked, and so was the last Finsceal Beo offspring too. An odd trait.

    Is that something you ever noticed PN?

    Do we have any unraced 2 year olds with Classic entries?
     
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  2. PNkt

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    The colt yesterday was Finsceal Beo's half brother. There is a filly out of Finsceal Beo (La Figlia) but she's in training with Noseda and yet to run.

    It's not unusual for all the offspring out of a dam to have similar traits. If she was small herself there's only a finite amount of space she can accommodate to grow a foal, so they will tend to be smaller. To date there are few Frankel's that look similar, so he appears to be "throwing to the dam" as the phrase goes.

    As far as Classic entries go, there are quite a few who have yet to run.

    All those with 2,000 and 1,000 Guineas entries at Newmarket have run now.

    Irish 2,000 Guineas - Dream Castle and Solo Saxophone are yet to run

    Irish 1,000 Guineas - La Figlia is yet to run

    Epsom Derby - there are about 10 who have yet to run

    Epsom Oaks - Mori is the only entrant yet to run
     
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  3. PNkt

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    ELYAASAAT entered for a Maiden at Newmarket on Friday
     
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  4. TopClass

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    Thanks PN! <cheers>
     
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  5. PNkt

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    From Racing Post:

    Offspring of a champion: the best of the Frankels
    BY DAVID BAXTER 6:00PM 25 OCT 2016

    Frankel was a superstar during his an unforgettable and unbeaten racing career and he has clearly passed on some of his prodigious talent to his offspring. After a hugely successful first season as a stallion we look at the best of his juveniles to hit the track - and some that are still to be unleashed....


    Queen Kindly - Richard Fahey

    This season's Lowther winner is the top-earning Frankel juvenile so far with over £138,000 banked and she showed bags of progress through her first four starts culminating in the York win.

    The Lowther form has stood up well, and although Queen Kindly was unable to confirm the form with Roly Poly in the Cheveley Park, when a below-par fourth, she still rates an exciting prospect.

    Her stamina looks suspect for the Qipco 1,000 Guineas, for which she is 20-1, and she may prove best as a sprinter.


    Seven Heavens - John Gosden

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    Two from two before taking a big hike in class for the Dewhurst, this colt has inherited some of his dad's headstrong tendencies as he was far too free at Newmarket and compromised any chance he had in that Group 1.

    He can be backed at 25-1 for the Qipco 2,0oo Guineas and it would be nice to see him in a trial first, but he should have the stamina for the Classic and the dam, Heaven Sent, improved with age.


    Cracksman - John Gosden

    A winner on debut at Newmarket over a mile in what could prove a decent maiden, this colt impressed many with his willing attitude, and is one to keep a close eye on next year.

    He is considered a 1m2f horse for next season by Gosden so the 2,000 Guineas may be too sharp, but the Derby, for which he can be backed at 33-1, could be an option. A return to Newmarket for a conditions race next April has already been mentioned as starting point for his three-year-old campaign.


    Swiss Storm - David Elsworth

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    The exciting Swiss Storm, trained by David Elsworth

    Sent off at odds-on for his debut at Haydock, this colt was too green and finished seventh. He was a different proposition next time out and won cosily at Newbury.

    The Racing Post Trophy was under consideration following that victory, but connections swerved the Group 1. He is one to take note of and has an entry for the Irish 2,000 Guineas.


    Ambrosia - Roger Varian

    This filly made her debut earlier in the month, and while only sixth, shaped with lots of promise. A slow start compromised her chances somewhat, but she stayed on nicely in the straight under hands and heels.

    She could be seen later this week at Newmarket, and has a stack of Pattern performers in her pedigree. She should prove smart.

    And three who have yet to appear...

    Elyaasaat - William Haggas

    Another who could be seen this week at Newmarket, this colt has a cracking pedigree, and his trainer has hopes he could be one to be excited about next year.


    Erdogan - John Gosden

    If you wanted a dream pairing in the breeding sheds, Frankel by multiple Group 1 winner Dar Re Mi would be close to the top of this list, and this colt will cause a buzz whenever he makes his debut.

    He cost 750,000 guineas, is owned by Al Shaqab Racing and is one to set a reminder for when his debut comes around.


    La Figlia - Jeremy Noseda

    Like Erdogan, this filly has a bloodline to die for as her mum is the 2007 1,000 Guineas winner Finsceal Beo.

    She fetched €1.8 million at the sales and big things will be expected.
     
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  6. PNkt

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    The pedant in me is annoyed by the misuse of breeding terminology in the article, where the writer states that Erdogan is "by Dar Re Mi"

    No, no, no!

    For the eleventy-billionth time, horses are BY the stallion and OUT OF the mare! The easiest way to remember it is to think "which one gave birth?"! :emoticon-0121-angry
     
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    Three more entries for the weekend:

    HARBA and AMBROSIA both entered in the same Fillies Maiden at Newmarket on Saturday

    SOLO SAXOPHONE entered in a Maiden at Leopardstown on Sunday
     
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    News on the Japanese Frankel's:

    MI SUERTE is set to run in a Group 3 on 5th November

    SOUL STIRRING will run in the G1 Hanshin Juvenile Fillies Stakes (over 1m on 11th December) next and has been given entries in the Japanese 1,000 Guineas and Japanese Oaks
     
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  9. PNkt

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    CUNCO and FRANKUUS both run in the G1 at Saint-Cloud tomorrow.
     
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    MI SUERTE runs tomorrow morning in a G3 in Japan.

    HARBA has been entered for a Maiden at Newcastle on Tuesday.
     
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    MI SUERTE won her race by 1 1/4 lengths this morning.

    Stakes winner number 5.
     
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    Interesting analysis of Frankel's first crop (edited on 10/11/2016 as TDN admitted that they had printed the wrong number of foals in his first crop, and therefore their statistics were out. I've inserted the amended article below):

    Op/Ed: How Did Frankel Fare With His First Runners?
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    Frankel | Juddmonte

    By Kevin Blake

    It could readily be argued that Frankel (GB) (Galileo {Ire}) has been the most important horse in the modern history of British Flat racing. Not only did his phenomenal achievements on the track attract untold numbers of eyes to the sport for all the right reasons, he effectively launched British Champions Day on the road to success by himself, starring in the first two years of that meeting. Remarkably, he is now doing much the same job for the thoroughbred breeding industry.

    Never before has there been such expectation and excitement surrounding a sire’s first runners on the track as there has been this year with Frankel’s offspring. His progeny were scrutinised to an unprecedented extent, with every runner that represented him generating headlines regardless of whether they won or lost. With so many of his runners being out of well-known racemares or broodmares, he has stoked the levels of interest in the bloodstock side of the sport amongst casual racing fans to all-new levels.

    With the turf seasons in Great Britain and Ireland now behind us, perhaps now is a fair time to step back, cut through the hyperbole and assess just how well Frankel’s first runners have fared. However, finding a fair way to assess their performance presents a challenge in itself.

    While there were 18 other sires based in Great Britain and Ireland that had 50 or more live foals in their first crops in 2014, it would simply be unfair to compare the performance of their progeny to that of Frankel’s on a like-for-like basis. With a nomination fee of £125,000, Frankel was only accessible to a select few breeders, yet he still produced more live foals than all bar three of the other 18 first-season sires of note. Even more significantly, the quality of mares that produced Frankel’s foals were on a completely different level to what his rival sires mated with. Thus, perhaps it is only fair to assess Frankel out on his own and use a combination of the best individual figures as well as the average figures achieved in each category by the remaining 18 first-season sires of note to give some context as to what he has achieved relative to the rest.

    Of course, everyone will have their favoured means by which to judge a sire’s performance. Number of winners, number of stakes performers and prize money won are all popular means of measurement, but for me, assessment of the ratings achieved by their progeny is the soundest way to assess a sire. In this case, I have used Racing Post Ratings and while I usually use 90+ and 105+ to assess a sire’s progeny, given that in this case it is only 2-year-olds being dealt with, I have reduced these parameters to 85+ and 100+. All of the statistics are correct for races that took place in Europe up to the end of October.

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    The first number that immediately jumps off the page is just how relatively few of Frankel’s progeny made it to the track prior to November. Given the depth of coverage that his runners generated throughout the season, it is remarkable to think that just under 32% of his entire crop made it to the track in Europe up to that point.

    Despite having what is the second-lowest percentage of runners-to-foals of the 19 first-season sires analysed, he still provided the highest number of RPR85+ and RPR100+ runners amongst all of the first-season sires. For 42.9% of his runners to have exceeded RPR85 and 17.1% of them to achieved RPR100+ is a remarkable achievement. That the closest rival to him in these fields produced just 25% and 10.8% of such runners respectively puts those numbers into context.

    While they are not included in the above statistics, it should also be noted that the handful of Frankel’s progeny that have run in Japan have been performing well, most notably with ‘TDN Rising Star’ Mi Suerte (Jpn) winning a Group 3 contest earlier this month.

    Inevitably, some commentators will focus on Frankel’s failure to produce a Group 1 winner or even a runner that was placed in a Group 1, but the rate at which he produced RPR100+ runners in his first crop of 2-year-olds suggests that it will only be a matter of time before he gains his first Group 1 winner.

    While Frankel has already impressed with his first racecourse representatives, next year promises to be even more intriguing. Given that he is a son of Galileo that was at his very best as a 4-year-old, hopes will be very high that Frankel’s progeny will be even better as 3-year-olds. One must also consider that over 70 of his first foals have yet to appear on the track. These include bluebloods such as colts out of Dar Re Mi (GB), Zagora (Fr) and Queen’s Logic (Ire) and fillies out of Finsceal Beo (Ire), Midday (GB), Alexander Goldrun (Ire), Danedream (Ger) and Dancing Rain (Ire) to name just a few.

    However, it must also be remembered that Frankel proved to be a serious challenge for Sir Henry Cecil as a 3-year-old. He was a free-goer as a juvenile, but he all but bolted in the G1 2000 Guineas and put in another upside-down performance in the G1 St James’s Palace S. that almost saw him beaten by a much inferior rival. It took one of the finest training performances of recent decades from Sir Henry Cecil to control Frankel’s innate exuberance and send him back in the right direction after those performances.

    With many of Frankel’s progeny showing the same free-going nature in their races that Frankel himself did, it will be intriguing to see how they progress from two to three and how their various trainers deal with the challenges that they present. While the early signs have been very promising indeed, a much fuller picture will be revealed on the racetracks of Europe in 2017.

    Next week, detailed analysis of how each of the other 18 first-season sires of note fared with their first runners in 2016 will be revealed and the results are likely to intrigue and surprise in equal measure.
     
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  13. PNkt

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    ZEFFERINO declared at Wolverhampton on Friday

    HARBA entered at Wolverhampton on Saturday
     
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    Juddmonte have confirmed today that Frankel's fee for 2017 will be unchanged at £125,000. If he has a good year on the track next year I'd suspect a hefty hike is on the cards for 2018.
     
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    The big question mark must be why so few ran in 2016. Of course the real test will be next year when he has his first 3yo crop. It's likely his runners to live foal ratio will rise. But if it doesn't it's hard to pay 125,000 for a the 40/45% chance that your foal will run.
     
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    It's probably indicative of the type of mares he was sent. No one expected him to have precocious two year olds and the majority of the people sending him mares were not commercial breeders, so will have been happy to sit back and wait - indeed many of his stock that went through the sales looked like they would need time.

    If you look at Nathaniel, another horse who was not expected to get many two year olds, he had 38 runners from 113 registered foals - 33.6%.
     
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    KHATTAR entered at Wolverhampton on Saturday
     
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    Connections have announced that MI SUERTE will take on the boys in the G1 Asahihai Futurity Stakes next.
     
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    I know nothing to do with Frankel so sorry Princess but I see Australias first foals come under the hammer this week
     
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    They do indeed, I'll pop an update on the "Ask Princess" thread.
     
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