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Effect of Brexit

Discussion in 'Watford' started by Davylad, Mar 26, 2016.

  1. oldfrenchhorn

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    According to May her negotiating position is being misrepresented by the European press. I would like to know just what her position is because she has not told anyone in the UK, and nothing is being reported here.
     
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    Standing on her head, talking through her backside I would suggest...
     
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    Wouldn't you love to believe it - I suggest you divert your energies more closely to understanding what is going on closer to home, namely preserving the UK. as a political entity. There are various 'problems' with this article - the first being that whilst many Europeans are not happy with the way the EU. functions (myself included) their answer would be to strengthen the EU. Parliament, as against the EU commission. In others words to give the MEPs more power in Brussels. Most people understand that we need reform, not disintegration. Political entities like the USA and the UK. have had far longer to sort themselves out than the EU. has, yet still have failed to 'work' for all of their citizens. Generally speaking the EU. has less huge differences in wealth than you would find in individual countries such as the UK. USA. or Russia - it produces more, and it divides that wealth more equally than any other political entity in the World. The writer also chooses to conveniently ignore the fact that the AfD in Germany is anti Euro, not anti EU. - and those 2 are not the same because even if the Euro were scrapped the EU. would continue. She also conveniently forgets that the so called 'migrant crisis' has stabilized. Germany actually has used only half of the accomodation, and resources, which were originally reserved for refugees.
     
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  5. oldfrenchhorn

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    If you had watched the debate last night between Macron and Le Pen SH, you would have realized how those who believe in standing on the sidelines and shouting into the wind are simply going to isolate themselves, and not work towards providing a better life for all. Yes, everyone wants the EU to become more responsive, and faster, but as Macron said he will be seeking change from the EU, and if it does not happen he will ask the nation what should happen. What the UK does not seem to understand is that it belongs to a Union of nation states, and it is not the only country in that Union. To throw away all the advantages it has gained over the years because of political dogma is not clever, and as Le Pen showed last night in the poorest way possible, no country anywhere can be an island separate from the rest of the world.
    What was is that Le Pen wanted on currencies? The Euro to continue for companies to trade with, but employees to be paid in Francs. Exchange rates within a single country? Say no more.
     
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    France is one of the most eurosceptic countries in the EU. Everybody wants change meaning less central control but the eurocrats rightly know that fiscal union is essential to accompany the too hastily rushed political union. For the euroland to work it needs the richer countries free and willing to subsidise the poorer nations. Unfortunately there is not the will to do this. The EU is on a path to disappoint everyone. It is ironic that the EU may end up no more than it was previously, a common market.
     
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    I am not sure how you can say that France is so Eurosceptic when the person who was so openly in favour of the EU, with reforms that everyone can see, looks as if he will be elected next Sunday, whereas the one against will be rejected. You use the word unfortunately when talking about the richer countries helping the poorer ones. Surely this should apply to many situations? How can one see the poorest having what little they get being taken away from them? Yes systems can get out of hand and people use the system to live better lives than those who do their best to provide for themselves and their families, but to suddenly remove a large proportion of an income seems that you are saying is unjust. If you are saying that we agree.
     
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  8. superhorns

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    France regularly tops the polls as the most eurosceptic country in Europe.

    The use of 'unfortunately' simply describes the reluctance of the richer EU countries to further subsidise the poorer nations. Today, Merkel interfered with the latest bail out for Greece by demanding further cuts to pensions and additional austerity. They have hung Greece out to dry.
     
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  10. oldfrenchhorn

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    Possibly next month it will be announced where the European Medicines Agency will move to from London along with the 885 staff. From the report issued to the press last week; "Although negotiations on the terms of the UK's departure have not yet officially commenced and one cannot prejudge their outcome, work will now start on the basis of the scenario that foresees that the UK will no longer participate in the work of EMA and the European medicines regulatory system as of 30 March 2019." So the UK will be out of the EMA system, and reports from the inside of the profession suggest that there will a link up with the USA based Food and Drug Administration. This is quite scary when you find that seventy-one of the 222 drugs approved in the first decade of the millennium were withdrawn, required a “black box” warning on side effects or warranted a safety announcement about new risks to the public. Study by Yale University. The Yale researchers’ previous studies concluded that the FDA approves drugs faster than its counterpart agency in Europe, and that the majority of pivotal trials in drug approvals involved fewer than 1,000 patients and lasted six months or less. These methods have consequences is the warning from Yale.
    This sort of information will not get a mention in the Brexit press of course, but it should be seen as a warning about what is on the secret agenda.
     
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  11. yorkshirehornet

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    Sadly this will be one of many outcomes which see the values of UK demeaned as a result......... so short sighted.....
     
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    Michel Barnier the chief negotiator for the EU has been in Ireland today. Mr Barnier told Irish parliamentarians he had a duty to speak the truth and that the "UK's departure from the EU would have consequences". The EU's negotiating guidelines call for a "flexible and creative" approach to the customs issue. However, no solid plans have yet been advanced by either the EU or the UK.
    “As the EU’s chief negotiator, my objective is to reach a fair deal,” he said. “I want to reassure the Irish people in this negotiation, Ireland’s interest will be the union’s interest. We are in this negotiation together and a united EU will be here for you.”

    I guess that there are not enough votes in Northern Ireland for it to be of much interest to May, but the EU are doing their best to find a solution and avoid that part of the UK falling back into conflict.
     
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    This part is a real problem and needs to be handled with extreem care. I doubt many people pre thought this one before the Brexit vote either. W
     
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  14. oldfrenchhorn

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    I think some did see the problem Mex, but the Brexiteers swept it under the carpet. Let us not forget that the people most involved, the N.Irish, didn't want to be placed in this position and voted to remain.
     
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  15. andytoprankin

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    It is the speed with which this 'decision' has been made and acted upon that alarms. Who would make an important decision about their lives with half-baked information (from both sides), not consider its consequences and rush through said decision? We're doing this with our country. <yikes> <doh>

    History will not look kindly on this process.
     
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  16. Bolton's Boots

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    If only voters would listen...

     
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  17. Mexican Hornet

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    bejesus.
     
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  18. andytoprankin

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    Thank you, BB. I'm sure many would see his words as exaggeration. The brutal fact is they are not. My new job has exposed me to others' poverty that is massive and the "poverty of opportunity" is near enough total. Those who vote to ensure this 'status quo' of self-interest, will never realise the country will be poorer as a result. It diminishes the possibility of any sort of meritocracy and this will send us on a downward spiral. Outside of their individual compunds, they may not notice. They'll build their metaphorical walls higher, put more metaphorical barbed wire around their properties, and congratulate themselves on how wonderful their lives are. Never a giving a thought to whom they exploit, probably the more stupid among them not even realising they are exploiting.
     
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  19. Bolton's Boots

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    From today's Times.

    Fun times ahead. :(

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