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Discussion in 'Leeds United' started by LeedsLover, Jan 10, 2017.
Just had a PM to say this fella would be nearer the mark
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I honestly don't often disagree with you and even more rarely agree with Glory but looking at this thread and this thread only you are the one that has caused the problem by escalating it. Understand your reasonings behind it as you are looking at the bigger picture but what PH said wasn't that bad and if people can't deal with that then the internet becomes a dangerous place.
A Wally policeman? Whatever next? A Wally politician that tells the truth?
Yes, I have escalated it. I make no apology for that. The straw that broke the camel's back, if you like. Note that is was a reasonably small escalation until Glory joined in to blow it out of all proportion, clearly guilty about his own behaviour.
If you find the time, trawl through PH's posts & see what percentage are aimed at LL. I believe in that in this thread Eire & Rev both observed that it was more than 50%. I think that's a conservative estimate. He also followed LL over here from JA, & by the looks of it, specifically to troll LL. It was getting out of hand. And as far as I was concerned, it had to be called out.
Should I have let the bullying continue? If so, at what point are we supposed to call it out?
Should I have behaved in a different manner? Probably, but I have no idea how.
Yea I agree with most of what you said here but its an odd post to get such a reaction from. You need to read each post individually and this one really wasn't that bad. I can think of times both me and you have said worse to LL.
And as far as sticking up for people who are being "bullied" and dealing with it in a different way, I get you are doing what you believe is right but we are all adults here and I think that is what the mods are for, if they think someone is being bullied then it can happen behind the scenes without getting the whole site involved. Alternatively if someone feels like they are being bullied then they can get in contact with one of the mods.
As someone who wants to see the continued growth in the site and more fans joining in, I don't think public blow-ups like this help anyone. Nothing has been resolved on this thread whatsoever.
Are the mods aware of this thread, just curious if they are watching quietly? We have so many threads that quickly turn into several pages of "banter" I wonder sometimes if the mods miss some of the friction or if the policy is to allow it to simmer out on its own accord.
I wondered what their take if any was on this entire topic or if they stay quiet as to not come over as taking any sides?
That;s PH's prerogative - all he was doing was sticking up for his club (your club too).
By sounding him out about the Silvestri comment, the lambs followed you into battle - which I guess is what you wanted.
You knew full well that the likes of Eire and Leedsrevolution would follow your attack - the sort of bullying you claim to hate
A PM to express how you felt would have been more appropriate don't you think (but less attention would have followed so probably no)
What's ya name on JA, JONTY??
And you expect to be taken seriously after these comments? Really?
Excellent point Ristac. I've said all I game to say on the subject except would welcome a mods comment on what way they view the thread. If they're happy with it I'll reluctantly agree but I won't be asking them
I think it's time I weighed in on this thread and the situation that has got way out of hand, as most, if not all of you can see what kind of situation PH has created, people at each other's throats, should never be happening. Having said that, anyone, and I mean anyone who stands up against bullying and abuse will have me on side, and that's despite what their personal feelings towards me are. Those who bully and abuse, you're obviously hiding something deep down inside, and are trying to portray your own problems onto someone else.
I did warn everyone a while ago that if any drearies came over from JA then you need to keep your finger on the ignore or ban button if you want to keep not606 a decent forum.
I'm confident in saying that Hopkins is probably sitting back laughing at what he's created on this thread.
For those who don't know the story, bare with me as I explain it to you, no, sorry, while I explain my version. For the record, there are some on here, PH excluded, who were also on JA at same time as me.
I was on JA before I voluntarily came over to not606. JA was/is split into 2 groups, the cheerie's and the drearies; Hopkins (Gelderd on JA) was/is part of the drearies and I was part of the cheeries.
Geldered would verbally abuse and degrade anyone who had a different opinion to him, I was one of those he specifically targeted on a regular basis, and at any opportune moment he could. He also jumped on any of his dreary friends bandwagon, who in turn had jumped on his. Leeds60 was also one he targeted on a regular basis, simply for having a different opinion.
I use to give my opinions on matches I either watched or listened too on net, they were very detailed based on my own personal perception. Gelderd was the one who started the "I don't go to matches so how can I write a match report" saga, he's the one who called it a match report, and he escalated it by continually saying "I don't go to matches so my match reports / opinions are full of bull and lies, and he continued the abuse with a few of his dreary friends jumping on his bandwagon.
like on here, I never ever said, insinuated, hinted or suggested my opinions were based on my attending a particular match, but Gelderd kept saying it. I even mentioned commentators comments.
Gelderd took one of my opinions / match reports if you like, and changed a few words around and then posted it as his own, also claiming he went to the match; you could see it was my post.
Gelderd had a challenge with one of the cheeries, Gelderd was claiming he had season tickets and went to matches every week stretching back about 15 years or so. The challenge was for Gelderd to prove it, after a while, Gelderd produced a picture of stacked season tickets, but seemed to cover them up so no one could see anything properly. The challenger fell for it, I didn't, I suspected Gelderd didn't go to matches, even though he continually claimed he did. Low and behold, eventually it was a cheery called mike who caught Gelderd out and proved / showed that Gelderd never went to matches; probably watched it on the net like a lot of us. Funnily enough, Gelderd always had a go at those who didn't go to matches.
Most of the time I ignored Gelderd, but did reply when he started attacking my profession, which I thought was a low scraping the bottom of barrel act, he obviously didn't like my replies, I told him he wouldn't, but it became obvious my occasional replies were getting under his skin, and he hated it.
Gelderd is obviously still in pain as he doesn't seem to have achieved his revenge yet, I also don't think he liked what I wrote about him in a little rap song I wrote, some may remember it when I first come over to not606.
I decided I'd had enough of the abuse, so I was reading posts on not606 for about a month, saw banter and humour but no abuse, so signed up and crossed over. By the way, the drearies, including Gelderd were ridiculing not606, claiming it didn't have many members and was just a small forum that wouldn't grow; little did they know.
When I first came over to not606 I was getting on with everyone, and they me, even though Chippy decided to eventually throw some personal attacks my way.
If anyone can remember some new members that came to not606, five fingers fish face, or whatever his name was, there was another one, and there was mattyp. Mattyp is a good friend of Hopkins (Gelderd) on JA, they jumped on each others bandwagons and gave equal amounts of abuse, they'd gang up on me and others, just for having a different opinion.
You'll notice all 3 didn't stay very long, especially mattyp, then low and behold, up popped Hopkins, coincidence maybe? not on your nelly. The 3 didn't come on not606 to be part of the forum, and I'm willing to bet it was mattyp who went back and told his friend Gelderd where I was.
Gelderd, still festering with obsessive hatred, and driven on by his thirst for revenge popped up with his first post on not606, it was an abusive post filled with false accusations aimed at me. Chippy, still trying to work out how to have another abusive dig at me saw his opportunity to jump on Hopkins bandwagon, and not only believed everything Gelderd said (cos he really wanted too), but used it to fuel his own dislike for me and went on a journey of abuse and false accusations against me. Along the way he dragged Ristac onto his bandwagon, and it seems Ristac still holds a dislike for me, even though I've never abused him and always respected his comments. the rest regarding chippy you know.
Then, out of blue, Marcus Barber joined the forum, it may have been around the same time as Hopkins, not quite sure. Marcus decided to jump on chippys and Hopkins bandwagon and have a crack at me. Apparently Marcus didn't know me from Adam, but he claimed that while he never joined ja, he paid personal attention to my posts and comments, funny that isn't it, he remembered my posts, but no one else's. When I asked him to provide the evidence, he couldn't but continued to say negative things continually concurring with Chippy and Hopkins.
Would seem that Marcus didn't like my replies either, and they were getting under his skin because eventually he put me on ignore; what a relief that was, peace at last.
However, Marcus wasn't happy just putting me on ignore, and he was getting very lonely out on that limb cos he was expecting, and hoping others would follow suit, but they didn't, so he decided to try and entice, and persuade Leeds of London to do the same thing, it didn't work; I did warn Leeds of London what Marcus was trying to do. Also, because Marcus couldn't see my posts and comments while on ignore, he actually mentioned to LoL he was using another computer, I wonder why.
All the personal attacks by Hopkins towards me, camouflaged or not, you've probably all read, and probably worked out why he does it however, I'd had enough of Hopkins so I put him on ignore quite a while back, I don't see any of his comments or attacks, such bliss. While I don't read any Hopkins comments, or attacks, Eire mentioned that Hopkins said he doesn't care about this forum, not hard to put 2 and 2 together.
Regarding those who mentioned the abuse by Hopkins towards me, irrespective of your feelings towards me, I appreciate your comments and stance against bullying and abuse on this forum, whether you were being supportive or not.
I also agree with, and side with WJ on his comments and stance against bullying, like he said, more of us should stand up and be heard in regards to stamping out bullying and abuse on this forum; for the record, I'm not jumping on WJ's bandwagon, I agree with everything he said.
I also believe the situation wouldn't have escalated had Chippy not jumped in. Everyone has a right to make a stand against bullying and abuse on this forum, and should to keep this forum the decent forum it is, but personal attacks and abuses are creeping in.
Doesn't matter what negative feelings you have against another member, doesn't matter that he has a different opinion, or disagrees with yours, doesn't matter if he dislikes you or the way you write about games or other topics, banter and humour are great for this forum, but there is no excuse or reason for bullying and abuse
As the saying goes, those who have the ability, have the responsibility.
The above is my version of how the situation has become what it has become, I'm sure you'll hear another version or two, don't be biased based on personal feelings, don't be swayed by others, don't bow to peer pressure, just make your own minds up........
Your reaction to ph's post was way over the top. All i did was stand up for his right to make his post and you decided it was time to let the cloud descend again. That is 100% your perogative but you might want to consider some of the saner voices about whether you added to or reduced the problem with some of your weirder and mildly threatening ramblings. From previous experience you will never accept that you are at least partly to blame for what happened last night.
Ftr what i did was merely challenge your dictatorial view in a robust satirical style. The problem with satire is it is best when near to or actually the truth.
Its always someone elses fault isnt it?
So that's the view in Glory's world, is it? Or is this you just fishing again?
You clearly didn't read the post you quoted. Go on, read the sentence again. Then read what you wrote. "From previous experience you will never accept that you are at least partly to blame for what happened last night". So did you deliberately ignore it, or just didn't read it? "Yes, I have escalated" it is clear enough for everyone else, but not you, eh? So why attack me?
My reaction to PH's comment may well have been over the top as an individual comment, but taken with his other insidious postings, I feel it was fully justified. You clearly think I should have allowed the bullying to continue. You are entitled to your opinion. Clearly I do not agree. I noticed that others commented on his behaviour too, and were in agreement that the time had come for PH to stop the hate campaign against LL. Are you saying he should continue? I despair for you if you think he should continue in the same vein. I also despair that you have regularly echoed his behaviours.
"But you might want to consider some of the saner voices about whether you added to or reduced the problem with some of your weirder and mildly threatening ramblings". Are you suggesting that I am not sane? Based on what? Berating a bully? My goodness, you do have a strange view of life. Are you really suggesting that I have exacerbated the bullying problem by asking for it to stop? I would also ask you to substantiate what you mean by "your weirder and mildly threatening ramblings". Who was I threatening & with what was I threatening them? And weird? Really? Have you looked at some of the tosh you post?
You might not agree with his opinion but he's always a nice guy.
I do find it hilarious that PH has been going around giving him **** and LL hasn't even seen one word of it.
Are you calling him a liar? Seems to me that LL is sharing something that is important to him to relate. And all you can do is criticise. He clearly upsets you, so why not put him on ignore like the legions that already have, as you profess. You just can't leave it alone, can you?
That never occurred to me. I shall now go to bed chuckling.
I didn't call him a liar.
I have a novel idea why don't you put me on ignore? I don't and wont use the function.
1. I didnt attack you. Saying "you escalated" is not an acceptance that you shouldn't have.
2. there is no may about it.
3. By saner voices I meant saner than mine.. I know I am partisan on this. PH expressed an opinion and he had every right to do so. You then attacked him for it/ Read TCs post above again he was bang on.