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    All i can tell you is that i have mentioned natural stuff to my liver consultant and in my circumstances the drug cocktail that i am on for the hep c virus is so defined and objective even your normal over the counter products for any problem for me is off limits unless its had approval from the clinic,this life saving treatment has and will transform lives so i am doing as i am instructed until i get the final results outcome , god knows the cost as the drugs are delivered by security core every week,four weeks to go to define my fate or future.
     
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    The science behind it breaking open the cell walls of cancer cell is blatant mate, it definitely works but it's not true of every cancer sufferer, and what scares the gov't and medical authorities is people ignoring tested and proven concer treatment therapies in favour of home remedies. It'll take a huge trial, probably 100,000+ patients to even snap the relevant authorise into action.

    It's a tough one to monitor and get perfect data from because people would simply have to treat cancer exclusively with just Cannabis to prove the medicine.

    I'm with you though, its effectiveness is beyond doubt. The fact that people are taking it to treat cancer in their own homes and in their own hands is great, because the more media coverage and exposure this type of story gets, the better.
     
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    They can't be that scared or they'd be getting their act together because people are going to do it whether they like it or not. The secret is out. They've bottled it so long that other countries are giving the public the info to act. They've dragged their heels and created their own problem. Recognising it's happening while showing concern, but not doing anything is a car crash of a way to govern.
     
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    Really? You know people who are turning down Chemo and radiotherapy and sitting at home with cannabis.

    That's the fear, but I think if anybody is ignoring tried and tested methods and going with Cannabis alone is beyond crazy, it really is very stupid at this stage to consider abandoning proven methods of curing cancer in favour of one that is completely unregulated in most parts of the world.
     
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    I don't know them personally(physically) and I can't say too much to be honest. But some people want to die with dignity mate and not prepared to go through the other treatments for terminal cancer which strips you of every ounce of self respect before they draw their last breath, anybody who has lost someone to cancer will know exactly the sort of indignity I'm talking about(including yourself if you've lost someone). It's happening mate, and some of these people are by far outliving the time experts have given them, when they've told their specialist the don't want that poison pumped though their veins of beamed through their body. Lots of people are doing it before they get the news it's terminal too. People know their bodies and can often tell when they're losing the fight.

    Also there's also many people combining all the treatments including weed against doctors advice.

    Some are getting it on their deathbed actually in hospitals without doctor and nurses knowledge.

    It may not be researched here but it's being researched elsewhere and some people feel there's enough there to view it as a viable treatment plan.

    If I get the Big C I'm going have to think long and hard about accepting conventional treatments. I'm not going out like my dad did, it didn't work from the off, it accelerated the cancer, gave him less ttime and less quality of life, a massive risk often left out in discussion. I wouldn't wish it on anybody.
     
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    The key word you used there is terminal mate, of course when it gets to that stage people will try anything to make the situation more comfortable.

    There's a huge difference between that and what I was saying though.
     
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    As I've said, I've seen people claiming they've given up the treatment before being declared terminal. Fact is current cancer treatments can react so badly with some people that they'd rather die than continue with it. People aren't just giving up current treatments before it's terminal for weed mate, people are doing in favour of no treatment at all and that's very very common so stands to reason people are doing it for alternative medicine. That's the grizzly reality of cancer.
     
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    The cases I know of they take CBD alongside the cancer treatment.

    A lot of people see it as last chance saloon and give it a go, praying something helps. It might not work on everyone but the one's it does have shown massive progression.

    More research is clearly needed though.
     
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    All you've done is prove my point. It's a fear that is very real, not a fear that's a wild assumption.
     
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    Jesus Tel, is that the important thing here to you, proving points over people? Whatever mate, we're clearly in this conversion for completely different reasons. I'm not interested in one-upmanship. Crack on, I'm out of this thread. It's turning into a pissing contest as per.
     
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    The surface hasn't even been scratched mate.

    I have a friend who has a family member suffering with secondary and he has sourced some good quality oils, for eating along with some plant for oven decarboxylation, he puts it in salads and stuff.

    It's helped fire up his appetite which is of course vital and it has had positive effects on his mental state but he's not going to get any better, it'll just make what he's got left more enjoyable.

    That's a great result really.
     
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    Ok mate.
     
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    I read an interesting study a while back and it involved some patients on Chemo going through absolute hell. The CBD significantly (p<.01) helped eradicate side effects and in over half the sample got rid of every pain related side effect.

    If I remember correctly it was only on about 10 patients, but very positive results.Clearly it needs to be rolled out with bigger sample sizes though!

    The study didn't look at the actual cancerous cells. But still amazing considering the pharma pain relief barely touched the sides.
     
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    The vast amount of studies ongoing is definitely going to help in the long term. The thing what I believe will happen is that courses of treatment will begin to roll out in private healthcare before long, with patients travelling overseas for treatments.

    Generally it may be limited to pain management rather than curing diseases to begin with.

    Of course if they legalised it here we could accelerate it so much quicker.
     
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    When you say legalized here, do you mean full on THC weed? CBD imo has the healing power needed and that is already legal here and much easier to get high concentrated than it is in the states due to us not needing a MM card.

    You can get 30%+ concentrate paste next day delivery in UK. You can't get that in the states, unless you breed yourself. I take 1 pea sized piece every morning and I no longer need ANY anti-depressants or anti-anxiety tablets. Tablets I was on for over 10 years. That's fact, and I can't get away from that personal experience.

    I gave a friends Auntie a gram of paste to trial for her Rheumatoid arthritis. From 20 minutes after her first dose she no longer has ANY pain. She now does not take any tablets and takes CBD paste every morning once a day - her life has changed so much.

    'CBD Brothers' are incredibly advanced in the CBD field for a UK company. They produce the same and even higher concentrate than Charlotte's Web.

    I'm really not interested in THC for health purposes. I use that to get high. The medicinal value in CBD is what people need to focus on.

    I know it's all hearsay and projections at this point, but it's there if you believe.

    Hurry up and study it world.

    Some of these pastes are the best in the world
    https://cbdbrothers.com/shop/
     
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    Yes mate, cannabis in general not just the bit we can sell. It's interesting that you mention the CBD being the focal point, I think our evidence that we have collated suggests that it depends on the condition as CBD has shown no effect on some targets and vice versa.

    I'd love to meet some folk first hand that flat out deny the uses of the plant, like Bri says it isn't even limited to medicinal use, it's bizarre really that stoners have single handedly ringfenced an entire species of plant.

    It's like banning cars because of joyriders.
     
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    I honestly think that depends purely on the individuals endocannabinoid system. If your body is producing what it needs then the CBD won't have anything to stabilize or increase. If the system isn't functioning properly due to the body not producing enough natural cannabinoids then this is where it helps massively, that's especially the case for low mood etc. imo.

    It is hit and miss on other conditions from what I've read. But my personal experience and those around me have been astounding.

    We keep going back to 'more research is needed' <laugh>
     
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    Less research more baking.

    Must dash now I've got a draw to watch <laugh>
     
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    I'm pretty sure tests have shown that CBD works better twinned with THC to some sort of ratio and visa versa.
     
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    Not necessarily. The only real difference is the psychoactive compound (I think!). Clearly better for insomnia etc. but for a lot of issues/diseases CBD pastes have the right combination of cannabinoids. Most have 0.5% THC in anyway, just enough to not get you high.

    I'm no expert, but the CBD reports have shown just as positive results as combined CBD and THC.

    I guess it depends what you're treating.

    Rheumatoid arthritis (for example) has absolutely no need for a psychoactive compound, whereas Insomnia clearly does.

    Who knows mate?!
     
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