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  1. PNkt

    PNkt Well-Known Member

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    Please add your questions below.
     
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    Some foal photos for you all to coo over!

    First foal by HELLVELYN:

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    Horse of the Year Rachel Alexandra and her colt by Curlin:

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  4. PNkt

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    Today's Racing Post carries the mating info for some of Juddmonte's top broodmares:

    KIND (dam of Frakel) was covered by GALILEO last year (no word on if she is in foal or not) and will return to the same sire again in 2012.

    MIDDAY will be covered by GALILEO

    MIDSUMMER (dam of Midday) will be covered by OASIS DREAM

    SOVIET MOON (dam of Workforce) will be covered by ZAMINDAR

    CLEPSYDRA (dam of Timepiece) will be covered by ZAMINDAR

    FAME AT LAST (dam of Famous Name) will be covered by ZAMINDAR

    No word on who HASILI is due to visit, but she is due to ZAMINDAR this year.
     
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  5. Bustino74

    Bustino74 Thouroughbred Breed Enthusiast

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    pN if you have time could you give me the 2011 returns and matings for:-
    Daring Aim
    Fairy Godmother
    Fictitious
    Flash of Gold
    Flight of Fancy
    and Tempting Prospect from the Royal Studs

    and

    Flag Ship
    Genoa
    Lakatoi
    La Spezia
    and Prowess from MH Dixon

    Don't worry if it's too much trouble, and no rush.

    Thanks
     
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    PNkt Well-Known Member

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    Bustino, apologies I've only just seen your post. I'll look them up tomorrow for you.
     
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    Daring Aim – Bay filly by Dansili. Due to Mastercraftsman
    Fairy Godmother – Bay filly by Cape Cross. Due to Dubawi
    Fictitious – Rested. Due to Galileo
    Flash of Gold – Barren to Nayef. Due to Motivator
    Flight of Fancy – Barren to Holy Roman Emperor. Due to Makfi
    Tempting Prospect – Bay colt Shamardal. Due to New Approach


    Flag Ship – No records found. Last recorded foal born in 2010
    Genoa – Bay filly by Cape Cross. Due to Duke of Marmalade
    Lakatoi – Bay colt by Dalakhani. Due to Zebedee
    La Spezia – Barren to Medicean. Due to Medicean
    Prowess – Bay Filly by Invincible Spirit. Due to New Approach
     
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  8. Bustino74

    Bustino74 Thouroughbred Breed Enthusiast

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    Thanks pN that's great
     
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    Bustino, some of the Royal Studs' matings plans for this year, according to today's Racing Post:

    MEMORY - to visit Galileo
    FAIRY GODMOTHER - to visit Oasis Dream
    PHANTOM GOLD - to visit Oasis Dream
    FICTITIOUS - to visit Fastnet Rock
    GOLDEN STREAM - to visit Dansili
    FILM SCRIPT - to visit Paco Boy
    ENTICEMENT - to visit Dubawi
    CARABOSS - to visit Smart Strike in USA
    KEY POINT - to visit Elusive Quality in USA
     
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  10. OddDog

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    Princess we have heard alot recently about jockeys being able to defer suspensions if there is a Grade 1 race taking place on the day they are due to sit out. Do you know the small print associated with this rule? I was thinking, if a jockey received a 4 day ban (lets say for hitting his horse 9 times with the whip) and that ban ran from March 13th - 16th, would he be able to defer it to start March 17th because there is a grade 1 race on each day of the festival? Or can he only defer for 1 day max? There seems to be much "angst" that many top jockeys will take a week off in the next couple of weeks to avoid picking up a ban which would mean them missing some (or all) of the festival. But this deferral rule seems to me to indicate they have nothing to worry about due to those 4 days being "Grade 1 racedays". Or am I missing something?
     
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    Odddog, it took some searching out but I think I have the answer! From what I can understand on the BHA's Rules of Racing website, the Group/Grade1 defferal rule only applies if the ban is of 4 days or less:

    "8.1 This Paragraph applies where a riding suspension imposed on a Professional Rider is of four days or less.
    8.2 The period of suspension will not be effective on any days when pattern races divided into Group 1 or Grade 1 are programmed to take place in Great Britain, as applicable to the type of licence held by the Professional Rider, unless he makes a request under Paragraph 12 of this Schedule that the provisions of this Paragraph should not apply to him.
    "

    The reffered to Paragraph 12:

    "12.1 Where any Rider who is suspended for four days or less wishes to make an application for the provisions set out in Paragraphs 8.2 and 11.2 not to apply to him, he must submit an application to the Authority's Disciplinary Department

    12.1.1 not less than three days before the day on which the suspension is due to commence, or
    12.1.2 if the last day for making an application falls on a day on which the office is closed, by 5 p.m. on the last day that the Authority's Office is open for business.
    "
     
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    OddDog Mild mannered janitor
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    Many thanks Princess - so "one over the eight" shouldn't be an issue unless it's well over the 8 or a repeat offence
     
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    Yes, that's how I understand it.
     
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    <ok> <cheers> ta very much
     
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  15. Bustino74

    Bustino74 Thouroughbred Breed Enthusiast

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    Princess thanks for that bonus. Interesting to see the Royal Studs have bought Memory from Highclere, and the other new mare is Key Point who looks like a 'purchase' from the Aga Khan.

    As you've almost filled in my records (I do buy RoM myself every 2nd year honest) can you have a look at these if you have time

    Produce in 2011 + susequent mating
    Spinning Top
    Abbey Strand
    Celtic Cross
    Purple Heather
    Daralbayda
    Film Script
    Rainbow's Edge
    Phantom Gold
    Fleeting Memory
    Hypotenuse
    Trianon
    Bonnie Doon
    Lost in Wonder (all above should be Royal Studs)

    Yawl
    Brindisi
    Flag Ship (all should be M H Dixon)

    La Persiana
    Gravitation
    Nirvana (all Avington Stud)

    + mating in 2011 for Golden Stream


    It's interesting to see how many of what I'd call the traditional studs are patronising Oasis Dream and Dansili. Trying to get some more speed in their stock I suppose.
     
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    Here you go:

    Spinning Top - colt by Royal Applause. Visited Kyllachy
    Abbey Strand &#8211; no recorded foals/coverings since 2007
    Celtic Cross &#8211; filly by Kheleyf. No recorded covering
    Purple Heather &#8211; filly by Medicean. No recorded covering
    Daralbayda &#8211; mare died prior to foaling in 2011.
    Film Script &#8211; slipped foal by Medaglia d&#8217;Oro. No recorded covering
    Rainbow's Edge &#8211; colt by Verglas. Visited Paco Boy
    Phantom Gold &#8211; filly by Oasis Dream. Visited Fastnet Rock
    Fleeting Memory &#8211; no coverings found to date
    Hypotenuse &#8211; colt by Dansili. Visited Oasis Dream
    Trianon &#8211; colt by Danehill Dancer. Visited Exceed and Excel
    Bonnie Doon &#8211; colt by New Approach. Visited Duke of Marmalade
    Lost in Wonder &#8211; died foaling, foal (by Dubawi) also died

    Yawl &#8211; filly by Duke of Marmalade. Visited Verglas
    Brindisi &#8211; not covered in 2010. Visited both Hurricane Run and Duke of Marmalade in 2011
    Flag Ship &#8211; produced a colt by Refuse to Bend in 2010, but nothing since.

    La Persiana &#8211; filly by Invincible Spirit. Visited Rip Van Winkle
    Gravitation &#8211; colt by Oratorio. Visited Cape Cross
    Nirvana &#8211; filly by Verglas. Visited Excellent Art

    Golden Stream &#8211; not covered 2010. Visited Dansili
     
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    Bustino74 Thouroughbred Breed Enthusiast

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    Thanks Princess, that's invaluable
     
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    Princess, good morning.
    Re. stallions, is it unusual that a sire produces his best jumps progeny in the latter stages of his life?
    I notice that Cadoudal sired his best offspring -both Big Bucks and Le Beau Bai in 2003 and Long Run in 2005- prior to his death in 2007.
    Also, Dom Alco sired arguably two of his best offspring -Grands Crus and Al Ferof in the latter stages at stud -within days of each other in 2005.
    Changing the tack, I see that German sire Network is starting to make a name for himself as a jumps sire- with Rubi Ball, Rubi Light, and Sprinter Sacre. Network's sire, Monsun, seems to be a great source of successful Flat offspring. Any observations about Network- or Monsun?
    Kind regards, Tam.
     
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    The problem with jumps sires is that it takes so long for their progeny to get to the track that, by the time people have started to notice them, they are often in the latter stages of their careers, or dead!

    The stallions you mention never covered very large books of mares, so arguably the quality of mares sent to them was pretty low, hence taking time to get a good horse.

    I've no observations about NETWORK at this stage, but MONSUN is without doubt a great influence. His horses are big, tough and very sound - ideal attributes for jumping!

    Watch out for his other sons in the NH sphere in the coming years: GENTLEWAVE, GETWAWY, MANDURO, SCHIAPARELLI and SHIROCCO.
     
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  20. mwildcats

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    Thanks Princess...

    A bit of an amateurish question one I could probably find this year but who's projency will we see on the race track this year?

    Rgds,
    Cats
     
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