Match Day Thread Arsenal vs Bayern Munich (UCL Round of 16) 2016/17 Official Match Thread

Good point. If they were in a normal job some would be on disciplinary procedure. They take no responsibility,

 

But it's not their fault they're not taken to task for performing poorly. They're not self employed and it's the role of management to have a basic carrot and stick system for those that 'work' in an organisation. Arsenal clearly don't have an effective system like that in place for the either the players or the manager. The only players who perform well on a regular basis are those that are self-motivated and would thrive if they were their own boss. But not every human is like that. Some people need motivation and systems in place to drive them. Hence why some in this world are better at being outstanding managers and some are better at being pushed and managed on the way to being outstanding workers.

We have some outstanding workers in our system who don't have a suitable manager to guide them. Our team being able to do what it does (finish 4th, win an occasional cup) relies on the self-motivated in our team to have the desire to do well regardless of how well they're managed. A bit like Football Manager when you're half assed with management, whizz through games and all you ever really do is negotiate transfers and let your assistant manager do teamtalks and tactics to sleep walk through seasons.

There are very 'workers' on the planet who, if they got paid £m's a year, would feel the need to bust a gut if they knew the risk of punishment or job loss wasn't there or that the reward for doing would be the same as not doing so. Only the self-motivated do that.

 

It's not as simple as that though. You might have a project to deliver in 3 months or a piece of work you need to get done. It's man against the task.

In a match you have an opponent. If that opponent is better than you and works just as hard as you then most of the time you will get beat.

 

Exactly. Strange how these overpaid prima donas get absolutely no flack for capitulating another season in the PL and now CL. As you p

Come on they are all millionaires and have tons of adoring fans, do they want the manager to wipe their asses as well? This is the problem with the world today, people expect a free hand out and not work.

Yes Wenger is part of the problem but there is no excuse for players not to give full effort. Maybe if they weren't being paid for a few months you'd expect a drop in effort and passion.

But going back to the manager, the players should be bending themselves backwards to play well for Wenger. As much as I criticise him, he treats them really well, probably one of the nicest to players. Damn our players are bloody ingrates.

In fact I want a really tough manager like Conte to come in and kick some asses, then they'll know what they did before was wrong. I expect at least half of our first team to get booted out after they get a roasting.

 

Not here to take the piss but where does pride come into it?
**** the poor decision from the ref, **** whether the manager is good or past it, **** whether or not you like him...tens of thousands of fans paid to come and watch...millions were watching on tv and over 180 mins these players only actually bothered trying their best for around 90 mins.
That's unforgivable imo.
I work in a school...and have had some real ****er managers but cos of the kids I give a 100% every day regardless.
Your fans deserve that commitment and in general you only seem to get that in about 70% of your matches (mostly between Aug and Oct and late March til May)
This ain't a anti arsenal post but I just do not get their lack of pride. I get losing form for a period but not this.

 

The point I was trying to make. It seems to be that the players get let off far too easily and the managers get the brunt of the blame. Typical example is Chelsea and Leicester, and in both cases the managers get sacked for underperforming players. From winning the PL to playing terrible football the very next season. Where is the accountability for these prima donas?

 

to be fair to us, we booed our players after mourinho got sacked so they did get the stick even if the chairman doesn't sack off the saleable assets

 

You was right to do that as they intentionally underperformed. But the management should have punished the players for blatantly underperforming.

 

For sure the players have let themselves down but the manager does'nt give the right messages.

Players dont get picked or dropped based on performances. How does Oxo consistently get in the side and Perez remain on the bench? How did Campbell get loaned out again after only performing brilliantly when he was picked last Season?.. Poor performances dont get punished.