Off Topic The "Discuss Anything Else" Thread

Very surprising result and have to admit it was a political debate that had me particularly interested over the last month or so. A few random points I'd make are as follows.

People claiming that the 'scaremongering' from the Remain camp was disgraceful etc. Surely the single most disgraceful campaigning by a country mile was the idiot Farage's 'Breaking Point' poster showing refugees fleeing Syria? Rubbish like that help fuelled the flames that the Leave campaign was aimed at appealing to xenophobic racists, those who want nothing to do with 'them foreigners'.

People moaning about the result now either accept democracy or you don't. Just because someone's view differs from yours, just because someone isn't intelligent enough in your view doesn't invalidate their vote. Everyone is entitled to a vote and a say. That's democracy. The alternative argument that whether it was wise to give the 'people' the power to make this monumental decision is more valid. Very few people understood the complexities of the debate (I still don't claim to, and as there's so much uncertainty no-one else really does) and the impact it will have but I think that's the case in all political debate so if they/we are trusted to vote in a government we should be trusted in this. Just because you don't like the result don't go crying for another reference.

Speaking of which it seems the in thing is for losing politicians is to pipe up on border polls. Shinners over here haven't a prayer of getting one, Theresa Villiers has already said so, and it's very much there default cry when things haven't gone their way. Same with Sturgeon. She just comes across as a very bitter little woman with an axe to grind (preferably to her in the nearest English man!). The assumption that Scotland would vote out this time is one I certainly wouldn't make. Listening to Radio 5 today even those that voted out the last time sound very reluctant to go out again and vote. People have had their fill of referendums for the time being.

I think Mr Cameron is a very good PM and not all politicians believe in what they stand for but I think David does and I think we've been lucky to have him during these difficult years.

Final point is I'm not sure why people seem so scared of this result. With the right people in charge I think the UK can remain a strong and safe Union but we must hold our nerve.

 

Beefy, I agree wholeheartedly with everything you have posted there. Except the last paragraph!

 

*is*..hate poor grammar!

 

Quick question for the Brexit gang..talk me through what happens next and when?

Any idea?

 

The caveat I'd add is that the 'right people' aren't there at the moment in my view! I'd suggest QM steps forward at this time

 

Please God not Boris the Buffoon!

 

Two years plus of negotiating our exit from the gang. Millions will be spent and many palms greased but you can bet your bottom dollar we will get screwed.
Trade deals will have to be negotiated. Free travel deals arranged. Border controls will have to be renegotiated. More work than can possibly be done in 24 months!

 

8.4% of the NI GDP is via EU grants...

 

...yet the "first minister" wanted a Brexit...

 

Frog face and the buffoon along with
glove puppet make a gruesome thought--i see that amongst all this talk about which turd to replace the last one , the small matter of doubling the national debt is never mentioned -despite the huge cuts affecting ordinary people the elite carry on regardless ........For now.......

 

Muse awesome on the Pyramid Stage.

 

Used to go to Glastonbury before it became a corporate love in -but never went for the music acts -the hedonistic vibe was the thing -music acts just got in the way!!!

 

Lyrically a brexit anthem one supposes...

 

Never been Ruddy..been to many gigs in my time..an old techno and trance fan.

Faithless was fabulous the 3 times I've been.

Probably the best ever concert was the Boss...not really in my wheelhouse but he was awesome and my missus and mates loved it..been 3 bloody times..after gig action sustains me.

 

The assumption over here Oddy is that the rest of Europe is going to sit like a begging dog waiting indefinitely for the UK to discuss terms.

That isn't going to happen...nor should it.

 

I suspect,like me,(Spanish) you (German) have dual nationality which will circumvent any travel issues...could be crucial at this moment in time.

 

How was the honeymoon Stick?..belated congrats.

 

Fantastic thanks Dex and thank you very much. Loved Seville and the hotel you guided me towards was spot on.
I actually think we had the perfect wedding. Even asked the wife if we can do it again next year.
She by the way is a huge Boss fan. She went to Wembley a couple of weeks back, believe it or not, for gig numer twenty!

 

Quite right, Armageddon did not occur but unsurprisingly the BBC reporting it as if the world ended yesterday. Numpties.

Jean Claude Juncker taking no prisoners by the sounds of it. He wants to speed up the divorce.

Can the EU continue once the referendum pressure in France and Holland cranks up?

Where from here?