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Match Day Thread Huddersfield versus Newcastle

Discussion in 'Newcastle United' started by Sammy's Silky Skills, Aug 16, 2017.

  1. rooch 3

    rooch 3 Well-Known Member

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    Would you lads prefer us home or away first next season.:emoticon-0136-giggl
     
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  2. Delusional Full Stop

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    On the plus side we aren't in the relegation spots after 2 games.

    <cheers>
     
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    We aint dropping down to Div 1 level mate. so you go first?
     
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  4. Tasty Magpie

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    Your suggestion is about as large an exercise in futility as hoping for MA to sell. You'd have to be mentally deficient to think that any potential replacement is likely to be much better than Rafa. Just look at the track record we have with appointing managers under MA: Keegan (good but not backed), Kinnear (enough said), Shearer (who knows if he might have turned out ok but not backed), Hughton (did ok but sacked anyway) Pardew (did ok then showed his limitations and not backed), Carver (woeful and not backed), McLaren (woeful but backed a bit), Benitez.

    Still, let's all just tell ourselves that a new manager 'couldn't be any worse' and make ourselves forget Kinnear, Carver, McLaren and latter season Pardew.
     
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  5. Albert's Chip Shop

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    Kinnear, Carver, McLaren and latter season Pardew... who??
     
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  6. Gordonthetoony

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    People are not being fickle , more realistic. In both games we have looked poor, and lacking on organization and from game to game we play exactly the same way meaning teams easily work us out. Noticable today how quick Huddesfield closed down our players giving them no room. Let Rafa try something different against Forest in midweek, he's got nothing to lose.
     
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  7. Geordie lass in the Fen

    Geordie lass in the Fen Well-Known Member

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    We looked better against Spurs with 10 men and a disrupted back line, than we did today.
    Is it fear or expectation that seems to suck the energy and momentum out of our team?
    Right from the start we looked static and disjointed, nervous, unsure.
    Perhaps it's because we were expected to take on this Championship side and get something from the game, even away from home, whereas with the Spuds not many expected us to handle the gap in quality, even at home, so we played with less fear of the expectation.
    I don't know, it's only two games in, but we are already 6 points behind one of the teams we were promoted with.
    Maybe we do have some funds and are keeping them till nearer the close of the window.
    That said, who exactly could we possibly buy who would have enough class to make us competitive enough to do better.
    As l said it's early days, but it doesn't take long at PL level to get cut adrift and confidence is going to play a huge role going forward.
    Didn't see much to instil confidence from today's display, but tomorrow is another day.
    Just sad don't you think how quickly the feel good factor disappeared.
    Can't help but feel that the chance to push on and build on the momentum of our promotion is going to pass us by yet again.
     
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  8. Lord Jonjomort

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    I don't know what to make of it all, tbh. The thought of losing Rafa in light of what mess we would replace him with leaves me completely cold. However I'm also less than impressed by the attitude, application and selection. For instance, SDJ featured heavily in pre-season yet isn't on the bench - when Diame and Saivet both are? I don't get it. We don't have the likes of Hazard, Willian, Rashford, Lukaku, Morata, Kane, Erikssen, etc., so why the fck are we playing a 5* tactic with a 3* team? Just doesn't stack up. Gayle's not Torres c. 2010. Gayle's barely a footballer at the moment, I don't understand why he's starting when he clearly has an issue (mental or physical).

    The Ritchie/Atsu wing effort was laughably basic, and poor. Bringing Diame on was borderline obscene (why is he still here? If we can flog Sissoko for £30m surely we can get £4m back for that lump of crap?). Perez/Gayle wasn't great in the Championship, why is it going to work here? We struggled and laboured all too often in the Champ playing this tactic yet here we are again, same personnel, same tactic, better opposition....stands to blatant reason we're going to produce worse results.

    But it went on and on - Lascelles repeatedly giving the ball to the keeper with seconds remaining instead of injecting urgency. Ritchie fannying around. Joselu trying 25 yard volleys - why? because he scored one in training?!!? Diame's sloppiness wasted any mometum and killed what was left. There's this massive lack of individual talent yet we're not playing to almost anyone's strengths - but it's the same team that won the Champ so why do we look so lost, bored and uninspired?

    I don't know where we go from here. It's early days, but we look really, really poor. And whilst survival is the aim we - with Brighton - look like the bottom two places are decided already.
     
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  9. Sheikh_of_Araby

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    Just back from Huddersfield. Well that was an abysmal shower of ****e.

    Perez is dogshit. Him and Gayle up top does not work. It didn't work against the likes of Burton Albion and it is not going to work in the PL. Diame. Why? Just why? Lascelles - can someone please just tell me what he gives the side? The lot of them were ****e today. That a Championship side we played today ffs.
     
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  10. Somebodys pinched my sombrero

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    Absolutely dreadful today, an
    I went today. I thought our fans were as bad as the team today. The Huddersfield fans put us to shame.
     
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    They were loud. But their celebrations at the final whistle were cringeworthy.
     
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  12. anyobrien

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    Brilliant post 100% nail on the head
     
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  13. rooch 3

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    Home.<ok>
     
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  14. swanseaandproud

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    Your like us ****e !!!!!!....<yikes>:mad:<wah>
     
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  15. TheJudeanPeoplesFront

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    Again, changing the question to which I have answered. Better can be done under the regime, and has been comprehensively before. Pardew and Hughton both have done better, both were given less than Benitez as well.

    Neither Hughton nor Pardew bitched in public, or belittled important squad players who have to be named on the bench. They built a pretty good dressing room. Sure, we villified them for it at times, being a mouthpiece for Fat Mike, but this current situation is a million times worse. The reason being Benitez and his lofty reputation has made him arrogant, and think he is better than the team, whereas Pardew and Hughton never did, they were only as good as the 11 that were fielded.

    To be a success here, you need to work with the limited resources available, and keep our head above water bravely. We have no divine right for more than that. It's not up to Mike to put his hand in his pocket to convince Rafa to stay, and it shouldn't be up to him to bail Rafa out of poor signings, either.
     
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  16. NufcNavan

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    Why did we let Anita walk? He's a better full back than Manquillo.
     
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  17. Tasty Magpie

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    Better can be done under the regime? Not much under such restrictions. Comprehensively? Yes, Hughton did better (though it is widely agreed that the Championship is far tougher now than it was then - even Hughton himself stated as much. Success is relative...) though he got sacked for it by this near blameless regime of yours. Pardew did better in his first season. Not so much in the others though and by the end team spirit was poisonous.

    You want Benitez gone as you don't see an end to MA and argue it is possible to do better but as already pointed out it could be a lot worse and we have good evidence of terrible decisions when it comes to MA appointing managers - such as Kinnear, Carver and McLaren.

    Yes, we have no divine right to demand more ambition and therefore money from MA but it is still that lack of ambition that is the real killer, when he can't even sanction an advance in the knowledge of guaranteed TV income that is just around the corner. It's stupid, probably suicidal and will likely end up costing NUFC hundreds of millions of pounds. Hardly good custodianship of a football club.

    And the poor signings that you keep going on about - most were brought in to get promotion from the Championship, with that the immediate goal at the time. It worked. The plan was clearly then to invest more this summer to add what was needed to push the team onwards in the Premier League. It was apparently promised by MA and yet hasn't happened. It isn't a new situation and the squeeze on spending resulting uninspiring signings is not something limited to Rafa's time in charge. It is these financial limitations which have resulted in us snapping up Riviere ahead of Lacazette and signing other dross like Saivet, Doumbia and so many more.
     
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  18. General Lee Speaking

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    Name me a manager who hasn't made 'bad' signings. It's a percentages game as Rafa pointed out in an interview last year - some players don't settle, have injury problems, or don't work out for a variety of other reasons. The percentages go down when you are in our position and have to gamble more, and, again, quality players aren't clamouring to join our club and they certainly weren't last summer.

    We can certainly point at Lazaar and Gamez as a bit of a waste of cash, and maybe Diame, but the sticking point in this transfer window has been not being able to get rid of Mitrovic and Colback in particular, and probably Hanley too. But two of those aren't Rafa's signings and let's just hold off on turning on the manager after two games (which is an utter ****ing disgrace by some on here by the way, especially considering the circumstances) as the transfer window still has a week and a half to run. If Charnley can bring some money in then there are probably still some deals to be made. The next 10/11 days will be busy as **** for a lot of clubs I think.
     
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  19. Geordieginola

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    Just not for us. The whole situation atm feels stale and the players body language is not of togetherness. The substitutes and tactics today where awful. It was clear that Gayle was not fit. He brought Diame on and he looked like a slug in the lettuce.

    We had Ritchie and atsu on the wrong side of the pitch. We played long hopeful balls in the air to a player who is ****e in the air and yet sat on the bench is the perfect player to play that type of ball to.

    What does Perez bring to the table.... nothing.

    Rafa looks bored and his tactics are so predictable that the opposition does not have to do any research.

    I am going to say it now come 7 games in this season we will be in the bottom two and we won't sign any more players good enough because we basically cannot compete.
     
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  20. General Lee Speaking

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    I didn't see the game but it was only one game. We were always going to lose more than we win this season. Just hold your horses and give it a bit more time before you turn on the manager and the team. Newcastle fans are too quick to assume the worst case scenario. There were plenty at this stage of last season saying we would be in League 1 right now. You may have been one of them?
     
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