Off Topic Barcelona Attack

13 dead so far as a vehicle mowed down innocent tourists in Las Ramblas. An area I was in a few months ago. Yet again these ****ing cowardly ****e stains were trying to hide behind Islam.

Two of the scum have been arrested.

 

Sicko's. One of my favourite ever places to hang out. I love Barcelona and had some great times there so very sad about this.

 

Scumbag cowards.

I'm off to northern Spain next week, lets just go about our business undeterred, it could happen anywhere.

The Spanish police have wiped out another five would-be attackers in Cambrils, again a place I have been to three times, its at the southern end of Salou.

Scum.

 

My heart goes out to whover is affected whoever has lost someone in where ever some mentally ill lone wolf has struck today

 

Hiding behind it? They're killing for it, and willing to give their lives for it. If anyone's hiding it's the liberal media and the left who once again have refused to engage in any meaningful discussion pertaining to motive. Indeed, they've been going out of their way to not have to confront the issue. You have Leanne Wood, thick-as-**** at the best of times and somehow leader of a political party, referring to this as 'far-right terrorism', because, wait for it, 'ISIS is far-right'. This is an entirely new one on me, and supremely impressive mental and linguistic gymnastics just to not have to utter 'Islamic terrorism'. And then today, Jeremy Corbyn (I expect nothing else from him, he knows where his votes are) wants to talk about vans, and how we must do more to stop access to vans, including asking people their intentions at the time of hiring. Because of course Jeremy, I'm sure they're going to say 'I plan to mow down the kafir with it'. While we're at it, let's erect more of those wonderful bollards, as they're the solution to everything.

All this is rather odd, as these same people and media have been wanting to have very in-depth conversations about white supremacists and nationalism since last Saturday. No sense of unity and 'they shall not divide us' rhetoric on that occasion. And no candles, prayfor hastags or spontaneous applause either. Curious.

 

You're a bad man mate, you cant say things like that, especially about Jeremy.
Look what happened to Sarah Champion.
You'll have to hand in your Labour Party Membership if this continues.

 

Just about any idea can be corrupted. Currently there are pastey ass vegans starting a fairly militant group in America, although thankfully eating grass makes it quite difficult to hold up a weapon long enough to use. Imagine how dangerous they'll be when some crackpot tells them about the great brachiosaurus in the sky will supply them with bacon sarnies if they kill in his name (Ralphy). They all delude themselves into thinking they are making the world a better place.

I do think we need more power as a society to just call these certain people ****s. Islamic nutjobs are ****s. Vegan nutjobs are ****s. Aspergers kids shooting classmates are ****s. Neo nazis are especially ****s. I also feel that anyone that has this delusion that their **** stinks different, should have their beliefs and opinions utterly ridiculed.

I am a lefty, and I hate how being a liberal, PC coward about this topic gets confused with being a lefty, at all. Leftism is about equal opportunity, and I think we all have equal opportunity to be ****s, and thus equal opportunity to be roundly mocked for being a ****. Religion, political ideology, sex, it should all be within the scope of merciless critique. If your opinion doesn't stand up to scrutiny, then your opinion is weak, populist ****.

 

Saved me a lot of time (and knowledge)
Me dad's an out an out punk, I was raised on the ideology of if you're a ****, you're a ****ing ****.
All just awful people trying to justify awful actions

 

One of the main issues with all religions is they don't accept criticism particularly well. Many don't believe their beliefs should be subject to critique. A lot of their scriptures make this very clear. As you say there is nothing in this world that should not be subject to critique.

So these ****s are unwilling to listen to reason. I fully accept that not all religious people want to carry out these heinous crimes. I don't doubt at all that the vast majority of followers of Islam are not blood thirsty. However we always hear this hiding behind Islam line and how Islam is a peace loving religion. Just as we hear the same about Catholics, Judaism, Christianity etc. History suggests nothing of the sort in all cases regardless what they are in general today. Religion has killed throughout history, I don't know why anyone would think this would suddenly change.

So they are not hiding behind anything. They are born out of it and their interpretation of it. You can't just dissociate these nuts with their religion because it's uncomfortable for those who follow without the need for violence. I previously accepted this stance but having educated myself on it then I don't think that is correct. As I say I accept that there are many different ways of following the various religions. But there can not be any doubt that these ****s are attached to the various religions they choose to represent.

 

There's nothing particularly special about religion and homicidal nut jobs. Take a loser, give him an ideology and voila. Religion works fine but Irish and Basque nationalism have worked a treat as well.Anything will do really.

 

I'm a liberal lefty and I don't think even that means you can't condemn the actions of these idiots. I have never been scared to call a **** a **** - ask Pouchy! It's possible to look at the reasons behind why these ****s grow into ****s without condoning what they do or being soft on terrorism.

 

Oh agreed, logic and reason has unfortunately little place in any discussion about Religion at present. I remember picking out a book at University on Mohammed, and sitting in horror reading about how he effectively used his "peaceful religion" as a pretext for war and empire building. Funny how Kings, Queens, Pharoahs, Politicians and those generally in power have relied on it since homo sapiens were born. You could point that out to the religious, and they will still bend their particular belief to survive.

Apparently the prevailing scientific theory is that our ability to tell stories to unite communities into action under one common objective (pleasing the big rock... the sun... the all healing newt...) was the underlying success of the species, and why our human line savagely "out competed or killed off" the others. That very trait will ironically be our doom.

We need a common enemy for great cooperation, and until a martian with a ray gun descends, we are happy to make enemies of ourselves. However, I still think that an age of more robust debate is inevtiable in time, once simpering pandering to the many ****s of the world and their various offenses has truely exhausted the cowards who will not question them or themselves, because it is either that, or civil war on a global scale. Prison does not stop a god/gods or a cause, violence only stops the god/gods or cause with the fewest resources, so the only way to change a fraction of those with a ****y worldview, is opening it up to universal critique and exposing the inherent ****iness.

I will qualify this by saying a lot of my views are ****y, undoubtedly.

 

You could have stopped your quote there and been correct these days.

We live in a time when debate has been replaced with arguments, fighting and name-calling. If you think immigration is the problem you're a racist nazi. If you think the problems lie elsewhere then you're a PC libtard. Since the answer probably lies somewhere in the middle then we're all ****ed!

 

1. There's one hell of a generalisation. Cite one piece of scripture (preferably Catholic/Christianity which I know more about) which states the religion in question's beliefs cannot be subject to critique..

2. Religion per se has killed no-one. People kill, allegedly in the name of religion. Not the same thing. If people didn't kill in the name of religion then they would do it in the name of their Country or their bigoted beliefs etc as already happens. You can disassociate these people from their "religion" because they are not following the basic tenets of that religion but are distorting that religion to fit their own views.

 

Satanic Verses seems a sensible place to start given it kinda covers both of your points.

When the Aytollah Khomeini pubically offered huge sums of cash and a trip to paradise for any that assassinated Mr Rushdie for his work of fiction. There was outrage worldwide in Muslim communities for this 'blasphemous' work of fiction. I put on the last bit to head off the usual claim of "oh but that was just one crazy guy in Iran. No it wasn't - it was throughout the Muslim countries worldwide including our own, and many what would now be determined as moderate muslims felt the man needed punished. As Rushdie had been brought up a Muslim and had an understanding of the Koran, he was in effect an apostate. And according to the Hadith, apostasy is punishable only by death. For a work of fiction. About what I consider to be one of the many man made religions. Sorry if I find this somewhat comical and sickening at the same time. How very human of me.

The Ten Commandments, the foundation story of all three monothetic faiths, is a great way to look at how they try to control critique. The first three are basically God insisting on his own primacy and the exclusivity, forbids the making of graven images, and prohibits taking his name in vein. This is accompanied by some admonitions and a warning regarding the sins of the father being passed through to even the third or fourth generation. I'll pause for laughter at this juncture. Verse 2 for reference also sees Moses instruct followers the conditions under which slaves may be sold or bought.

All these scriptures and just man made rubbish.

To top it all off those at the very top of all three religions have for centuries killed in the name of religion, and killed those who they consider heretics. Unbelievably with all we now know about the world we live in, this continues and to this day.

It's very handy for people to try and separate all these crimes committed in the name of faith, the crusades etc etc, or just accept the apologi s in their thousands handed down by the Vatican etc throughout the years, but forgive if I don't. Religions time is done as far as I'm concerned and it is causing damage to humanity on a daily basis.

This is just my opinion and I don't feel the need to wipe out those who don't conform unlike many of my religious counterparts!

 

What goes in and out when the doorbell rings......?















Salman Rushdie's arsehole......

 

Suffice to say that you and I will disagree on this topic.

You cite problems caused by Man and not by a God. Man will use any excuse to fight and does not need religion to enable him to do that as demonstrated by the many Wars including World Wars not fought under the pretext of religion.

Wars and fighting will stop when Man is educated enough to know better. Religion is just an excuse for a War or a fight and not the reason. If someone wanted to go to War then the existence or not of religion wouldn't stop him.

 

Unfortunately though religion is clearly man made. It is blatantly obvious this is the case from the scriptures of all religion. Hence Moses saying it's ok to enslave in certain circumstances. This cannot be retrospectively changed by religion to suit or morph into something else as it has done throughout time.

It is true man does not need religion to kill. But it certainly has been the pre text for many. Plus as it is clearly man made then man is responsible for all deaths and responsible for the vehicle that is religion.

 

My point exactly that religion is simply an excuse put forward by Man to allow them to
1. enslave others
2. take land from others
3. seek revenge on others
4. etc

Therefore, the blame for War or fighting is not religions but is Man's and to say otherwise is simply hiding from the truth.

 

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