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Tammy ****in Abraham

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  1. Warmir Pouchov

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    Will Hughes was really impressive last night. What an absolute bargain he is for 8m. We've really missed a trick there. So versatile to, he has played 3 or 4 different positions throughout this championship and been seamless in transition.
     
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    Infinitely better value than Cairney. Not sure what the appeal of Watford is. I mean in general, not even in terms of "over Newcastle".
     
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  3. Warmir Pouchov

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    I think they actually bid for him is the appeal.
     
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    You have to have four/five English players in your team? And more in youth ranks, which you'd do on some kind of ratio. Maybe catchment areas n all. This coupled with FFP would force the likes of Chelsea to push their own talent from their own areas.
    Thinking on it would probably just push English player values even higher but I'd rather see a Chelsea B team full of English players reaping the benefits, and to be fair theyll be sky rocketing anyways due to Brexit's impact
     
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  5. Joelinton's Right Foot

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    This is something we need to get used to for this coming summer. Not specifically for Watford, but in terms of our Premier League rivals in general. The appeal of teams like Watford is that they are now seen as an established Premier League team. The same applies for clubs like Bournemouth, Palace, Swansea and Stoke, etc. It doesn't matter what we feel about our club. Players looking in from the outside will see us as a newly promoted team. They will see us as being far more likely to be involved in a relegation battle than any of the teams above. We often decry players for not furthering their career and putting money and glamour ahead of ambition. However, without taking any other factors into account, a player probably should choose teams like Watford over teams like us if they have ambition.

    The difference might come if Rafa can persuade players to buy into the 'project'. For all the appeal of Rafa and his past successes though, this will only be attractive to top players once they start to see evidence of ambition in other transfers and other big names buying into his project. Until that first one gets over the line he is caught in a bit of a catch 22 situation. If he does succeed in attracting top names we should remember that it will probably be Rafa attracting them and not the club. Past reputations count for nothing. All that matters to them is that we have just been promoted.
     
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    Its not often you talk sense but <applause> for this post. We seem to have developed some misplaced view of our club. Particularly since Mr Benitez walked in. We're not that big a pull and certainly no greater than a club who has been in the league for a couple of years. As you say players are brutal, if you get one big one through the door, they might think "hmm they might be serious, could be something happening there". Or you go down the Leicester route and look for a more complete team based on work ethic.

    It is extremely competitive now and relegation has an impact that lasts longer than just the season you're down there.
     
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  7. General Lee Speaking

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    The lack of signings sounds as much to do with our owner not wanting to pay what is now the market rate for players, if the noises coming out of St James park are to be believed. I'm pretty much sure we had this exact same situation the last time the Premier League TV deal took a big leap upwards. "We just couldn't get players over the line" - aye, because we aren't offering the going rate, which just increased in line with the 70% hike in TV revenues.

    I don't think most players would see Watford as a more attractive option than Newcastle at all. What has happened with Hughes is they have bid for him and we haven't. In general, though, when we offer the selling club what they want and offer higher wages than our competitors (mostly bottom half clubs at the moment) then we'll sign some players. I still firmly believe a large part of player's decision making process is who will pay them the most.
     
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    Summary. Two sentences only.

    :)
     
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  9. Freddd

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    We're new and therefore an unknown quantity. Rafa can potentially change that but no decent player wants to be the first to sign for us.
     
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    You have to laugh at talk ****e Quinn.....You would think the toon are up there with the Manchester clubs ,Arsenal, Chelsea and spurs. He thinks if you have more fans that you are better than those teams with smaller stadiums <doh> What planet is this idiot on ffs.......Abraham has chosen Swansea with the advice of Chelsea and it is only a loan for the season and he sees Paul clement who has worked with Chelsea as the manager who can improve him rather than Rafa who's job is not certain yet, he is tipped to move on.....We have no delusions about next season that we will probably be in the bottom half but so are the toon tipped to be there also.....Quinn has made a right fool of himself with his rant and needs a reality check what a big club that wins things is......Relegation is not part of it.....winning and in the top 6 is.
     
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    I haven't read his rant if thats what it was but honestly who cares about his opinion? It's a different situation slightly with a loan deal as there is a wider picture taken into account by the parent club of a player's development and other factors. I have zero hard feelings to the player, Chelsea or Swansea. It's not like he's Ibrahimovic; he's an unproven kid who had a decent-ish season on loan in the Championship. Swansea beat Newcastle to the signitures of Bony and Gomis in the past I believe so well done on those, proving we compete in the same space, although I'm pretty sure my theory about being willing to pay what the asking price is and outbid other clubs on wages were the deciding factors.
     
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    Undoubtedly the case with HUGHES. We will have to disagree how players view things though. As supporters we seem reluctant to accept we are just like any other promoted club that come up as champions. We seem to have some misplaced sense of "we are Newcastle, we're a special case". I don't mind people thinking like that, I just think it's unrealistic and they're wrong.

    Watford are a good example. If both clubs offered the same terms and fee, it would be a coin toss, one which their London base may swing. The footballing landscape has changed.
     
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    Its not just a London base that can swing things against us now. There is a serious bubble of players living in Greater Manchester and Cheshire. These are the sort of things that can tip a player to choose one club over another if he has friends living nearby - particularly if he is a foreign player. When I lived in Cheshire there was a village near me where you had players living who played for both Manchester clubs, Stoke City and even one who played for Birmingham City. We will never be able to offer that sort of catchment alongside other clubs - especially now the mackems and boro have gone. It's not an excuse to not get anyone in though. Swansea are in the same position and they manage to attract players.
     
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  14. General Lee Speaking

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    They have been willing to pay the money necessary to get them in. I hope those at the club realise that prices have gone up and they will need to stump up more than previous seasons to get players in. Do Newcastle just avoid price wars and go for players who aren't being chased by other clubs?
     
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    It just depends what their priorities are and their perception of each club, but a universal priority will be money.
     
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    Money is near the top of the list for clubs and players with regards to modern football in 99% of cases. No doubt about that.

    It just annoys me when you get our fans saying "why would he go to X instead of us" X could be West Brom, Stoke, Watford, Swansea, Bournemouth, Palace, Burnley, West Ham. I always think "why wouldn't they?" Do you think playing in a big stadium is going to sway the player? Do you honestly think a player probably not old enough to remember our forays into the CL is going to be swayed by it? No they remember what's fresh in their mind - 2 relegations in 7 years.

    Whether we like to accept it or not we were relegated. We're a promoted side. That does figure in a players thinking. Why? Because more often than not promoted sides are in a relegation battle the following season. That isn't good for your profile. They're all about about money and status. Now going to Swansea or Watford may not be massive for your status either, and they could well be involved in a relegation battle also. Its just that there is a stigma attached to promoted clubs. We're not a special case in avoiding that stigma. Regardless of history, a big stadium or Rafa Benitez.

    I don't think you think like this but some do for some reason. I just think some fans think Newcastle and Benitez are a bigger pull than we are. The only thing that will pull us up above the others is money and/or a big signing. You need to make a statement sometimes. When we bought Mbemba, Mitrovic, Thauvin and Gini they were all well thought of on the continent. One triggers the next. Mitrovic's dad was making comments about blocking his son joining us, Thauvin didn't fancy it and then all of a sudden Gini signs and within a month or so they've all signed up.
     
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    BIG BAZ, Jun 21, 2017

    No they're not - time to worry yet??
     
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    When Fabregas puts pen to paper there will be a queue of new signings outside Rafa's door.

    Anybody figured out what Windy's surprises are yet?
     
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    The surprise will turn out to be how many of us took a bite out of his little teaser*




    * not a euphamism!!
     
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