Off Topic Piers Morgan v Tommy Robinson

Socrates would have agreed. According to him, we cannot know anything, we can only believe.

Gnostic and agnostic are from the classical Greek, meaning known and unknown respectively.

I'm with the Greeks (& most of modern science) on this. Nothing can truly be proven. To both the scientist and the man or woman of faith, the test is always, "what works?"

 

A pretty cool soundbite. Bit trite though. Means nothing.

The spiritual mind, like the scientific mind, is always searching, always questioning. And is also always open.

 

What? Just read through that again. Even Eric Cantona wouldn't conflate that nonsense as an argument. If your articles of faith are not precariously hung around trying to refute evolution, specifically, and the Big Bang, generally, then why on earth do you keep trying (and failing) to deny them at every turn? Neither the Big bang nor evolution refute the existence of God,just the Biblical story. But ****ing hell, as quoted from Feynman when a child, even a six -year old with an enquiring mind should be able to demolish the Old Testament.

But back to your point; if 'lack of explanation on an issue as proof of God' is not your angle, what is your proof? Oh, you don't have any? You have faith? Good for you. I have faith when I fly in a plane that it's the engineering, science and skill of the pilots and ground crew that's keeping it up there - not God. I suppose if it started falling from the sky I'd be the first to call for a higher being to somehow save me from the mistakes of man. Pity is, it might well be a man with 'Faith' that causes the crash in the first place.

 

Fixed.

 

In a literal sense, I understand what you mean. But to me agnostic means that a person is only willing to accept that which is knowable. Anything else they treat with scepticism or disbelief.

Those who have faith are willing to accept that which they cannot know, but they firmly believe anyway.

 

[QUOTE="PISKIE, post: 10663201, member: 1000255"]Matth is unemployed, so he's watching daytime TV instead.[/QUOTE]

No I'm not.

 

Yeah, fair point.

 

Night worker eh Meth......Zombie right!

 

You don't have to be religious to be spiritual. In fact, I'd say a strong adherence to Abrihimic religion is generally evidence of a more closed mind than a non-follower.

 

Sorry matth. What do you do for work ?

 

Which version? Aren't there about seven, plus bits not used?

 

I've never read the Quran so I won't comment on it but I suspect like the bible it was intended as a moral code in it's concept. Written by people mainly after the fact as so to speak. The atrocities carried out in the name of God by man is staggering. So where did it all go wrong? It pretty clear to me that religion is not a silent faith of peace and love and is set to conquer anything that stood in its way through the ages.

This indicates to me that the original concept has been tampered with to suit whoever saw the need to control the masses. I don't believe in it in any form but won't question others belief nor will I try to change anybody's faith/belief by imposing mine. Sadly the way these so called peaceful religions need to show the same restraint and respect.

Ps. Did anybody watch the video I posted last night? Views please.

 

I've read The Lord Of The Rings ... but when you sail for the Grey Havens you've just gotta take it on trust right?... coz nobody ever came back to tell if it really exists ... for all I know, them elven types may still be sailing West ... good job they're immortal ... like Claudio Ranieri

Matth... if you're reading this get out of the dinghy ... it's not your time yet ..

 

I prefer shaven havens mate but if you like grey...hey that's ok.

 

I did watch bits of your video, and your view seems to be similar to mine. Anyone looking into the background is liable to conclude that the books are works of man, rather than god. Many of the religious festivals, like ramadan, Christmas, Easter, the kaaba, and associated symbols are deeply pagan in origin.

The best bits of the Abrhimic books, are generally the parts they stole from much older paganism in an attempt to give it credibility. The bad bits tend to be the additions used for political gain in controlling the population. The people voicing the peaceful interpretations, tend to reference the spiritual pagan elements, while those highlighting the worse side, tend to be referencing the human additions.

 

yeah stick a fork in am asjim knew not even I know why this means bruv.

 

Somewhere in my loft is a copy of the Satanic Verses. I got it twenty years ago to impress some bird I was intellectual. It's ****ing unreadable cack, if truth be told. It should be burned on the basis of bad literature, never mind faith.

Here's my question though - that is ****ing dire and Rushdie got a fatwa against him. Why has some mufti not put one Katie Hopkins, in the interests of consistency, and please everyone except the six-fingered, homemade gun owning Kippers? #

# Not that I'm advocating Katie Hopkins has a fatwa issued against her - that would be inciteful. Just wondering why Rushdie got one and she didn't. Did anyone see her on that immigration thing with Hislop? Still rambling on about 'Liberal elites', when she works for a paper that, with Murdoch, hand-picks PM's (though they got a fright this GE) and that want to turn us into Singapore -on-stilts. Let's see what Doncaster Man, Hartlepool Man and Newport Woman make of that.

 

You are wrong on that, people spread a lot of lies, look for yourself.

Qur'an means oral recitation, whole Qur'an has been there from the time of prophet Muhammad (saw), muslims have memorised the Qur'an start to finish from the time of the prophet (saw) to now by hundereds at the time to millions now.

if you are talking compilation of it in written form then that was done during the time of Uthaman (ra) to unify and make sure that new muslims all over the place were getting the right source. There was whole process for the compilation, if you really want to know that can be provided but its in no way same as Bible as everything about the Qur'an is known not unknown from the beginning.

Ask the people (muslims) not internet sites like answering islam or people with an agenda etc...I

 

Science is not the domain of non-believers or people like Dawkins...The scientfic method came from a believer (muslim).

Islam always asks to ponder, reflect and believe noy blind faith.