Woke up to the news of last night's attack at Finsbury Park. Another attack this time with an islamaphobic focus. Glad he's been caught hopefully can nip any in the bud that are heading down that route. Thoughts are with those affected and their families
Arsehole. Giving the perpetrators of the previous attacks exactly what they want. Have to say though I hate the term 'islamophobia'. What absolute nonsense. This bullshit has slipped into our culture and should be eradicated immediately. Andrew Cummins had it right - “a word created by fascists, and used by cowards, to manipulate morons.” The Muslim Council using the term and pushing their agenda just sickens me. The problem here is that the term is not only used to condemn actual events like this against Muslims, but also those who dare to be critical of the ideas (and that's all that islam is - a set of ideas). Someone has been killed and others injured. Yet we all we get, just as we did with Manchester and London, is people trying to use it for their own warped purposes.
I predicted this in the thread following the London Bridge attacks. Like the killing of Jo Cox, this has happened in the context of a public discourse in the UK of a section of the population being a fifth column, enemies of the people etc. It's pretty clear that just as with the Prevent strategy, anyone hearing someone promote right wing extremist or islamophobic views should be contacting the police in order to stop this kind of thing happening.
Awful attack, however it should have been anticipated, you cant have terrorists killing kids and stabbing people in the face 16 times and not expect some nutter to carry out some kind of revenge attack it's inevitable. Unfortunately this does play into the Left wings hands, people will use this like the Grenfell fire as ammunition for their political agenda. I wouldn't be surprised if the attacker was somehow connected to a victim of another attack, this is the only reason I can make sense of anyone wanting to carry out such horrible attacks. The Twitter army, people like J.k Rowling and Lilly Allen will use this to blame radicalists like Nigel Fararge and Theresa May. I have to say Mayor Khan is having a really tough time. I know things weren't great under Boris, but when I look back at Boris's reign I think of Boris bikes, where as people will look back at Khan's reign as a period of travesty and disaster!
There is no such thing . However I do agree that if anyone is aware of people promoting extremist views, they should be reporting it.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html What is this bullshit from the Daily Mail too. Is it too hard to just condemn him as the terrorist he is? So if a extremist who claims to be muslim commits such an act, he's a terrorist and its a terrorist attack. If some random white bloke does it, he's a white van driver? Call him what he is. Between reporting like this and use of phrases like "Islamophobia" by the Muslim Council, I ca't be arsed with the reporting of these incidents.
Maybe islamaphobic isn't the term to use. This is what typing on the way to work reading the news will make happen. But targeting a specific group in a form of terror. It's horrible, it all is. But simply saying I told you so, isn't right as innocents are being killed. The terrorists are aiming at driving wider wedges in society. All these extreme factions want the same thing despite blaming the other side and claiming to be the antithesis of one another. We shouldn't give them the satisfaction. I truly feel for those affected, just like London Bridge. It's horrific
Islamophobia would, according to the usual rules of usage, mean a fear of islam. By only a very small stretch from the technical to the vernacular, it would include fear and/or dislike of muslims. Or do you think I've got that wrong ? Fear of islam and fear and/or dislike of muslims certainly exists. I'd be lying if I said I didn't have twinges of it and for a number of people I know (ordinary, decent sorts - - not nutters) it is a significant part of their world view. Not sure I understand why you think it is a misleading or meaningless term.
No mate the message is right as you say. The term is just one of my pet hates. Its used by both people like the Muslim council and also idiots like Pegida and SIOE. Further use of this term in modern culture only serves to widen the divide and wedge certain groups want to drive.
I agree with Pouchy (for once). Whoever did this is a terrorist. Nothing more and nothing less. They will have their own warped ideology and it is an ideology that needs to be wiped out, along with any other ideology that promotes terrorism. Having said that, whatever we call these people needs to work both ways. In my view they are just terrorists and deserve to be called so. If we want to call some terrorists radical islamic terrorists then it isn't wrong to call others islamaphobic terrrorists. I don't think the adjective matters. They are all scum and all as ignorant as each other.
I agree that we need to be consistent in the terms we use. I dislike the term "terrorist" and would prefer to use "murders" or, if you like, "mass murderers". "Terrorist" for some, has a glamour that I would prefer not to give them. Whichever words we use, though, have to apply each way.
Not all the facts have been ascertained. No-one knows his reasons for doing it, was it a racist attack, was it terrorism, had he been brainwashed? what is his ideology, no one knows right now. For all we know, he may have had a daughter killed in Manchester or London, we simply do not know, but hopefully the police will find out and provide a full and transparent account. As for islamaphobic, its not a real word, personally I'm of the opinion that we should have evolved past believing in make believe people in the sky that will give us everything we want when we die. Religion is just a way to manipulate and control a large scale of people into a way to want them to think and behave.
Yeah, I think we've shown as a human race over the last year that we're perfectly capable of behaving like a herd of ****ing idiots without religion playing a big role.
A terrorist is usually a member of a group who use violence to cause terror or fear in promotion of a political, ideological or religious cause, this guy was said to be shouting that he hates Muslim's so a murderer rather than a terrorist in real terms, a hate crime for sure but again the rhetoric that is being spouted is way over the top, I had to turn off the news programme this morning because the terms being used to describe the British people were quite appalling, as if we are all filled with hate towards Muslim's, politically motivated agitators on social media don't help either. This country could do with a month or two of calm but idiots of all kinds, radicalised fools and the politically motivated extremists seem to be winding up to cause more trouble given the slightest chance let alone the massive hits from Manchester, Borough Market and the Grenfell Tower tragedy, the vast majority of people in this country just want to be able to peacefully go about their lives in what is one of the most tolerant countries in the world.
No, I literally do mean it. In the media both particularly television and newspapers instead of, say for example, reporting "that the terrorists who attacked children in Manchester were part of IS" just say "that the cowardly scum who attacked children in Manchester were part of a cowardly organisation". It won't stop it from happening but it won't result in anyone thinking of joining them as a result of a perceived glamorizing of that type of organisation.
Ah if only the rules of usage were followed eh. Unfortunately this vague term which seems to have come about around the 90's, has been brutalised to included a wide variety of sins. Those brutalising it have their own agendas and the reappropriation of this and other phrases just make them non palatable to me. As with most of these buzz words which are created to give a description to encompass a certain set of ideas, they rely on the users using them correctly. Unfortunately that relies on humans, some of whom are inherently stupid. So the terms quickly do become meaningless. I could talk all around the issue but I'd only be re-inventing the wheel. A quick google search brought up this page. https://lawyerssecularsociety.wordpress.com/2015/03/03/islamophobia-an-absurd-term/ I think this pretty much sums up many of my issues with the term. Anyway I don't want to hijack Tol3's thread and the basis of it. I should probably not have let my contempt for the phrase to allow me to post something which has already diverted the topic away from what he/she wanted discussed in the first place.