Off Topic The Politics Thread

We MUST get tough and stop being so PC. Labour's huge multi-cultural experiment has back-fired spectacularly. There are ghettos in many places where many Muslims don't want to integrate. As you say, many are sympathetic to the jihad cause and as I think Stan said earlier, the Islamic faith has been hunting dominance for decades. They are ridiculously precious and far too many want to kill anyone who dares criticise their fictional God (all God's are fictional imo).

Something must change if we are to protect the futures of the young.I can honestly see a day where we have Muslim and non-Muslim Countries. Maybe it's the only way!

 

I know this might sound a bit out of context, but as a regular gig-goer, exiting some venues can be chaotic, especially the larger arenas.....but a gig full of wee kids and young teenage girls (Grandes target audience) wouldn't stand a chance - awful as it was, the carnage could've been so much worse if the perpetrator had managed to get anywhere remotely within the venue, as opposed to just the foyer. I take my 14 y.o to most of the gigs that I attend now, and this whole episode has really affected how I feel about it, although, as said previously, I will.not allow these neanderthals to hamper any form of my life - although we will now have to remsin vigilant. The problem now is that the extra security measures required to enter such places, be it music, sport, tourist or other types of venue, is now it will be the queueing outside that become vulnerable to attack - how far away from these places can you sensibly create a cordon to prevent such an attack in the future? Large queues of people will inevitably draw attention from the type of maniac who would drive a 4x4 or larger into them...it's a never-ending cycle of horror

 

Could you imagine something like that at Loftus Road? It's totally ill-equipped for any mass evacuation.

 

If May wants to cut immigration down to tens of thousands she'll need to stop the right of uk citizens marrying someone from the old country (preferably second cousins) in Pakistan or Bangladesh and bringing them ( and the partner's wider family) over here. They usually don't speak English, live in majority areas, so are able to live separate lives.

I've said before living in tower hamlets, the more Eastern European christians that settle locally the better. They integrate much better and their kids will grow up as English as mine. Some of the other third world immigrants won't; I'm not saying they are all Islamist nutters, some are pleasant - but it's hard to tell what they are like if they only speak Bengali and have hijabs. If we are going to choose who comes here - let's give it some thought.

 

I'd love to have a conversation with you about this when I'm over next. There's another very real reason why these attacks are happening.

 

Something that can't be shared on here Nutso? You have been at the heart of this and I would really like to read your opinions, I am sure you have insights through your experience.

Part of me wants to lash out wildly in response to this ****, and another part knows that would only make everything worse. Catch 22.

 

I'd love that mate. I don't pretend to know the answers.
I will say that the reasons this is happening are complex and far reaching.

 

There is enough money in football to install airport style scanning at all professional clubs which would at least reduce the chance of a bomber getting in.

 

I lived in Tower Hamlets between 1988 and 2013 (Isle of Dogs). I agree with you. It's easier for white Eastern Europeans to integrate because they don't look so different and their kids get included in whatever the other white British kids are doing. If they're Christians or atheists, that also makes it easier. It doesn't make sense (to me) to permit people to settle permanently in the UK if they don't speak English to a certain level of competence. However, some of those white Eastern Europeans will be Muslims not Christians - but they'll integrate relatively easily too. When you see their kids on the bus, you'll never know who they are or where they came from.

I agree with your observation about sub-continent marriages, too. In East London, running my motorcycle school, I came into contact with many people who were British-born of Bangladeshi parents who ended up in arranged marriages with someone from "back home". They were always British women who had married men from "back home" who came to live and work in the UK. I don't think that it was exclusively that way round, it's just that the men coming here to live would be motorcycle training customers and most Bangladeshi women marrying British men will not be - so I only got to see it from that perspective. The grasp of English by many of these men was poor. Their British wives would phone in and make the bookings and sometimes accompany them to the training session to be the interpreter. (You don't have to speak English, nor understand it, to get a driving licence).

I also came across many young men from abroad who were taking their CBT so they could legally ride a scooter and deliver fast food. They were in the country on student visas, but not really what I would call student material. I've no idea if they went to classes or if the school that sponsored their visa was a real school or just a front to get people into the country.

We do have areas where 1st generation immigrants live within their own bubble, and it's not to the same cultural reference points as me. People coming to a new country tend to congregate with others like them. We've got Greeks and Turks and Cypriots - Muslim and Christian - living in certain parts of North London, for example - but you'd never know who they are until there's a football match.

British-born children of Bangladeshi heritage are growing up in areas where they don't mix with people outside their own "back home" culture except when at school. In Tower Hamlets, some schools are now almost exclusively attended by these kids. So they're not getting exposure to other people from other cultures at school, either.

What they are getting exposed to is the drip drip drip of a specific type of Muslim fundamentalist view of the world, with objectives driven by hate and a desire for political influence that they will not be able to get by other means. It's these people that need to be identified and stopped - without turning them into martyrs that result in us getting more people willing to become terrorists in their own country.

How do we convince these 2nd generation Brits that this is their country and they have a stake in it?

 

Big attack on Theresa May by Nuttall at the UKIP manifesto launch. Maybe the terrible events in Manchester will actually work against her electorally.

 

I think she'll get away with it because the Tories are the traditional law and order party and you look at the Lib Dems and Labour and think 'would they be better on security?'. But she should be held to account for getting us in a position where we have to put troops on the streets in routine guarding jobs because we don't have enough armed police officers to cope when on the highest level of alert. A quick search leads me to believe that we never did this during the IRA bombing campaign in England, which was much bigger in scale than what we are facing now. That the security forces do not have enough people to track a would be and now actual bomber who's own family and Muslim community workers had told them was a threat should also be laid at her door (though I suspect it's physically impossible to track them all). The sight of the soldiers sends out a horrible message to me, and the failure to stop this bloke an equally bad one to the Muslims who are helping the security services.

Big fall in net immigration, I wonder what capital will be made of that? As nothing has changed legally, or in our level of border control, the only reason for this can be that people are leaving or don't want to come here either because it's not as lucrative as it was before and/or they do not feel welcome. But as Deng Xiao Ping said 'who cares if a cat is black or white as long as it catches mice'? Being a less attractive place to live is much cheaper than new legislation and thousands of border guards.

 

The policing cuts, and the implications for security, are going to play badly for May.

(I think she did say scaremongering in the second video, but it seemed like it was dubbed)

I heard Jacqui Smith interviewed earlier and, when asked if she thought Amber Rudd should resign in the light of the security lapses that allowed the Manchester scumbag wreak his havoc, she said 'No, she wasn't Home Secretary five years ago'.

My point about it affecting her electorally is that any resurgence in the UKIP vote as a result of the Manchester atrocity will almost wholly come from the Tories. The collapse of UKIP is the reason they are currently so far ahead of Labour, despite Labour polling higher than in 2015.

As for the immigration numbers, this will surely be down to EU immigrants leaving after the Brexit vote. Don't stay where you're not welcome.

 

I see the Manchester Evening News had a pictorial front page of a candle with eth headline 'There is a Light that Never Goes Out'. Presumably this is a reference to the Mancunian band The Smiths song of the same name. Clearly they have never listened to the song in depth, it's a tongue in cheek (at least I hope so) ode to suicide, and deeply inappropriate.

I'm pretty torn on the media coverage of this atrocity. Lot of emphasis on the individual's who lost their lives, their families and friends, and people who were at the gig, and this does humanise the whole thing, which is good. Real people, not just faceless numbers. But it also feels intrusive.

 

Wouldn't help much outside when they're leaving tho'

 

Moving back to the election, here's a bit of fun:

http://uk.isidewith.com/

Tells you who your natural party should be - if you don't have the cop on to realise already

I'm a centrist and got Timmy

 

I got Timmy too followed by Corbo and the Greens. UKIP last, obviously, as I'm not a moron

 

**** me, that's a lot of questions.

I got Labour (surprise!) 81%, followed by LibDem 76%, Green 70%, UKIP 46% and Tory 42%.

 

I've never voted Labour in my life, and I've been linked to Corbyn.....with Tories next in the list! Bit of a ****ed up poll that!!

 

Quite the reverse, the % are the key. I came out Labour, Lib Dem, UKIP !!!!, Green, Tory, in that order, but all within 20% top and bottom). Just shows no single party reflects anybody's entire set of opinions/feelings, except those who slavishly follow a name and their family voting tradition.

 

Piers Morgan can be a pompous self-promoting prick at times but he's spot-on here...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...oser-home.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailus