Match Day Thread 2016/17 Premier League, Cups & Euro Watch

Couldn't believe they didn't have the bollox to say he's bought that. 'Michael Owen will tell you that's good forward play' **** off! If that was Suarez or someone there would be outrage.

I like Rashford, extremely talented youngster who will be a big player for the next decade but that was naughty

 

Yes..I wanted you to know I'd found your post funny..intended or otherwise.

 

Think you need to look at our injuries again. Our injuries in Last season were due to excessive amounts of games just like yours this year, even Jose blamed amount of hours Zlatan had to play. It is a catch 22 situation utd are in, win games and run the risk of injury. Bad landings and twists etc can also be a result of over playing/fatigue btw.

What is interesting is how the media portray it. The media didnt just go for klopp last year on this they went for poch, strange how they have shut up this year despite spurs having another season of bad injuries.

You say you like to actually watch the games, all teams get injuries, and lots of them particularly nowadays. Our failing this season has not been having a big enough squad. At tne moment I would not see Utds season as a failure. It is getting difficult for you like, but will see where u finish as i still think u will get fourth. You have a huge squad but the amount of comps you have been playing has stretched your squad. ( that said no one else has had to play 2 games in the same short time we had to play city then sunderland, just sayin )

 

Wouldnt say it was naughty, it was the right action whether we like it or not, who would have preferred ford to go down last week when we were one up v palace??
That said the officials should be seeing that it was not a pen, i could tell in real time, i genuinely dont get what the commentators were jibbering about, i commented on Owens comments earlier, didnt want to bring suarez into it
I genuinely believe its an english thing, had that been martial i think the commentators would have gone for him

 

Did you see him wave for a foul?
Not all fouls are a dive regardless of what old ex-pros say. Some of them fell over too you know.

 

Going to catch up with MOTD2 shortly - bet it's not even mentioned

 

Some of them do, yeah

 

I cant watch till after our game

 

I dont think Rashford did the wrong thing. The going down early could easily be the anticipation that fabwas going to take him out. The sticking his leg out which was fairly evident was a bit more damning. Stevie G used to do that but was a bit more subtle. Always think the phrase 'earning the penalty' is particularly apt.
Players and managers are going to try anything to get the edge, it is the difference between the winners and the rest.
If refs cant get the decisions right then they need help - its that simple.
Yes decisions will still be wrong even with replays but nowhere near the amount that are currently wrong

 

Even that is a contentious point, there were 3 penalties today, Rashford, Sane and Kane.
Kane seemed to throw his leg out but was without doubt tripped (stamped on) and went over, Sane was nowhere near the player that "fouled" him yet managed to throw his leg out and dive into him, Rashford tried to avoid the keepers arms. Was he throwing his leg out or just making an awkward hurdle?
Either way he never asked for a pen but would certainly not turn one down.

 

Totally agree on all apart from Rashford, fairly obvious to me - maybe I have seen more of this type of behaviour over the years like i say though, not his fault the pen awarded.
Lets just say he didnt try to get the pen and he didnt dive, it was still an incorrect decision which the ref should have seen. Take utd out of it cause it unfair, as this is not a utd thing, everyone does it, all clubs.
What you have is a decision which particularly at this point in the season can have devastating consequences.
It is impossible to guess how a game pans out if a decision is given/not given, however it doesnt change that it has got to point refs have to have help.

 

That is the salient point, players get tagged with "diving" by so called experts and ex (old) pros yet most of them never even call foul. It's like these old pros can't remember what it's like playing the game in real time.

 

All players cheat. They all appeal for corners and throw ins even when they've kicked the ball out. Why dig the ref out when he's the only honest one on the pitch? If he gets conned by a player who's dived then blame the player.


Saying that I hope he gives us a penalty tonight...

 

TBF, it's not going to be Mourinho training them is it...

 

The problem for me with this argument is that being old enough to remember a time when there was very little of this going on, the excuse of "all clubs do it" just doesn't wash.
It's cheating, quite simply - and should be condemned as such, not lauded as "clever forward play" or whatever. It causes frustration amongst fans and also players who don't go in for it. Boro were rightly ****ing livid that Sané got away with that shocker yesterday.
I would be quite happy to see players of all clubs punished for this until it was eradicated. The problem with this, of course, is that some are subtle and it's difficult to prove intent.
A good start though, imo, would be for the blatant ones to be retrospectively punished, and just as importantly, for fans and pundits alike to stop condoning it.

 

I haven't got a problem wth rashford doing it - I want to win at any cost. I would encourage our own players doing it more often. All I want is fair and unbiased reporting on these incidents so it's not only foreigners who get lambasted, or the English players getting praised.

Rashford was rewarded for his 'dive' and earnt his side a point.

Coutinho was punished for staying on his feet and cost us at least a point.

There is no nobility in playing honest. We should play to win.

 

The correct solution there would be for those who are fouled to be awarded the free (or pen) regardless of whether or not they go down, not to give them to those who aren't fouled.
Reward people for cheating and you just get more cheats - is that really what we want to see?

 

No disrespect, but i think you will find that in the olden days players tried to con refs just as much as they do today and it will never leave until the rules are altered (as you say) and the technology is implemented to help the refs.

If you listen to the older ex players, dennis law, charlie nicholas etc they all say they used to try and con refs, and gain advatages. The big difference is that there was not 20+ camera angles replaying incidents within milliseconds of the incident.

What jimmy says is spot on, i think, in terms of english players getting away with it. I used Stevie G as the example yesterday so i dont start a wum war, but Stevie G not only dived he perfected the art of making it look like he was trying to stay up whilst going down imho. There have been many many 'clever' divers/cheats. Look at scholes, the amount of fouls he got away with was amazing under the guise of - 'he's not a tackler'.

Sadly the only way forward until changes are made are to embrace it not fight it.

 

Think you are spot on but i dont think it is managable they way things currently stand.
The main arguments against technology are usually time, which i think is a none sensical argument as players and mangers argue for mins anyway
And then they say the game would become too clean?
I would rather be discussing tactics etc on talk shows than constantly berating refs - who tbf have a terribly difficult job.
No station keeps replaying a right decision and pointing out what a good decision that was.

 

I didn't say nobody ever did it in the past, but it wasn't as rife, or as blatant, as it is today. Diving is a phenomenon that really took off in the 80's and now seems to be an accepted part of the game to the extent that youngsters playing the game will see it as a necessary strategy.
Imo, dishonesty should never be encouraged, and the "win at any cost" philosophy leaves me cold.
I wasn't getting into the "English versus foreigners" debate, btw - commentators have always been horribly biased in that way throughout my lifetime of watching the game. Even more so in the past than they are now.