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Off Topic Oh No..... Not Another Political Joke................

Discussion in 'Watford' started by yorkshirehornet, Apr 19, 2017.

  1. oldfrenchhorn

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    You have put your finger on the problem. Far too many MPs are only wanting to be seen in a favourable light in the hope of promotion. We watch as the troops are marched through the lobbies, voting for things that (a) they don't believe in, and (b) things the electorate didn't believe in either when they read what the candidate was standing for. How many people even watch what the people they elected are doing when they disappear into Westminster? Headlines on the TV that don't even show the member from ''anywhere". The electorate have been duped for far too long, but eventually there can be an uprising against the traditional party system as can be seen elsewhere. The sooner the UK wakes up to the real problems it faces rather than trying to blame everyone else, the sooner it will recover from it's political demise.
     
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    Given that this is the satire thread...... I think no one who knows me would say i am dull.... and also you can always add some organic spices to your greens in any case
     
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    UK politics appears to be a lot more stable than many other countries, most of the support is concentrated in the centre / centre right areas. There is little appetite for the extremes as you see in France for example which has a very strong far left and far right. There will not be a change in the UK from its present system. The recent Lib Dems attempt to adjust the system was firmly met with rejection and apathy. Whilst the present system suits the two main parties there is not a cat in hells chance of change.

    The UK has correctly rejected the idea of a future within the straightjacket of the EU. It is more than capable of trading with the rest of the world as most sovereign countries already do.
     
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    What will of the people? I always recall the left moaning about the Lords but now that they are reigning in the right wing excesses you lot are whingeing. They are not there to be sycophantic yes men - especially when they see the necessity to save the country from itself.
     
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  8. superhorns

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    'The will of the people' is the decision taken in the referendum. The duty of the Lords is for scrutiny and helpful improvements not completely change democratically supported bills. They eventually accepted their democratic limitations and rightly backed off. One of the reasons the PM has called the election, specifically about Brexit, is to further remind the Lords of her clear mandate to negotiate.
     
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    ...and another reason is to cover up the Tory expenses scandal <laugh>


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    Stop defending corruption SH..... go after the truth............Surely you are a bigger person than someone who blindly follows tabloid headlines
     
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    Only 38% ... it is not the will of the people ... only some of the people.....

    I am one of the people and it is NOT my will



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    There are more than that - for instance, the map misses out Mundell, Scotland's Sole Surviving Tory MP, who is also under investigation.
     
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    Under the UK system it is called a majority, that is the way it works.
     
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    Yes but it is the will of SOME of the people... and that is what responsible governments must be mindful of...

    i have heard virtually nothing from May about the rest of the electorate.....
     
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    I'm afraid in the UK system a majority always wins whether it is referendums or political elections. Those on the losing side(s) have to hope their side wins at the next opportunity. In Labour's case about four down the line.
     
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    But this is not even about who you vote for it us about the representation of those who didn't vote for the party who form the government. Government has a responsibility to work for the interests of all citizens
     
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    Governments always have a responsibility to work for the interests of all citizens. But what Labour or Tory governments don't do is follow policies of the losing party just because they gained many opposing votes. In our system the winner takes all, but should aim to be fair to all. The PM's very high current poll rating suggests most agree with her.
     
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    The majority of the people who took part in the flawed democratic process does not equal the will of the people. Especially when it's non-binding, which it isn't. Deary me. What was that that nazinige said about the 2% and unfinished business? You know the answer, not that you'll acknowledge it. We wouldn't hear the last from him had it gone the other way so you can rightly expect (especially as he's conveniently forgotten or ignored his own words, the unctuous slimy politician he is) not to hear the last of it from us.
     
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  18. superhorns

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    The majority decision is the 'will of the people'. It is binding because article 50 has been invoked. Surely nobody seriously thinks it can be halted? The vast majority of those polled, including many 'remainers', want the government to get a move on with the negotiations.

    I very much doubt we will get past the initial 'EU ransom' stage, hopefully I'm wrong.
     
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    Asking a lot of different, complex, emotional, multi-aged, multi-cultured, individuals a single yes/no question does not result in anything called 'the will of the people'. Until humans have developed extra-sensory perception it's doubtful whether millions of people could ever have a single will.
     
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    The expression ''The will of the People'' conjures up an idea of the people as being a homogenous mass - something like Nuremburg rallies or something. Historically, I think the term was first used by Robespierre to justify the excesses of the French Revolution. Really a suspect term seldom used by democracies - more often used to justify injustices and crimes than anything else. After all, the greatest crimes have always been committed by crowds of people - I mean, nobody will ever know that you were a part of it - it was just ''The collective will''.
     
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