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Match Day Thread Tottenham Hotspur v Chelsea

Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by PleaseNotPoll, Apr 19, 2017.

  1. Lovearsenalcock

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    i want to say...yes...but i cant.

    Poch fumbled his lines big time again.
     
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  2. vimhawk

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    Er... the ref WAS the reason why we lost. The margins of quality between top teams is quite small so it doesn't take much bias in order to make a huge difference. The dive was a terrible decision, but as others have said we should not have put the ref in the position for him to be able to make that decision (and the dive was quickly visible if there was video technology by the way). I'm more concerned about the apparently subtle things - like not giving yellow cards. I lost count of how many times Alsonso followed through after the ball had gone, and he was going to continue to do so until he got a yellow. That lack of balance in the fouling and not given cards is at least as important as giving that one horribly bad decision.

    Edit: wasn't there also an occasion when "man of the match" Luiz kind of stamped on Wanyama in the sense that he left a straight leg in on him when the ball had gone and Wanyama was on the ground?
     
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    What struck me about Son today was just how conservative he was when he had the ball. Rather than try and take on players as he usually does (with mixed results, but that's not important right now...) his usual tactic was to jog forward a few yards and then play a safe pass to anyone in a white shirt who was within five yards of him, regardless of whether the player he was passing to had a decent out ball or not, and almost immediately jog back down the pitch again.
     
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  4. PleaseNotPoll

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    That was Willian, IIRC. Luiz just repeatedly fouled Kane from behind all game and didn't get called on it.
    He also headbutted the back of Eriksen's head and somehow got a foul for it. Really didn't get that one.
     
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  5. remembercolinlee

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    The ref was pisspoor throughout...he refused to book chelsea players for continuously fouling and allowed them yo do as they pleased...including standing a yard away from free kicks ... and played non existent advantages.
    Yet he was less of a problem than having Son doing a piss poor impression of Walker and I aint blaming Son either.
    Pochettino should be embarrassed imo.
    He has done great things for us but today gets filed under learn lesson and never repeat
     
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  6. "Thanks for that Brian"

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    Didn't we play GKN at LWB in the EFL Cup at Anfield? I recall that ending badly too!
     
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  7. humanbeingincroydon

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    More that it started badly, with GKN's mistake gifting them the opener, and his head dropped for the rest of the time he was on the pitch.
     
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  8. littleDinosaurLuke

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    Do your players struggle with their pressing game on bigger pitches?
    It requires players to move towards the man on the ball rather than hold their position. With that goes the risk of opening up spaces on the pitch, which some of the better teams can exploit by shifting the ball quickly. You can't press in all areas on a big playing surface.
    The indifferent performances at Wembley and the first half performances in Manchester suggest that the pressing game doesn't always work.
    If you do play all your home games at Wembley next season, how the team sets up when you don't have the ball may need a re-think.
     
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  9. Tilly'sowner

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    Not sure it's the pitch size. After all, they are only about a metre difference in width and length. The commentators were saying it could be the type of grass. The grass at WHL is shorter and allows for the faster ball to be played whereas at Wembley, the grass is a little longer and thus promote the slower ball.

    Seems to be some merit in this.
     
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  10. littleDinosaurLuke

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    110 x 72 yards compared to 115 x 75 yards (WHL to Wembley)
    7,920 v 8,625 square yards.
    705 extra square yards is a lot of extra space to cover over 90 minutes.
     
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    I think this sums it up

     
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  12. remembercolinlee

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    Yep he gave the ball away for their first goal iirc and lost his confidence for the rest of the match.
    Apart from the league cup in his first season he has treated the cups pretty poorly imho.
    Gutted cos since 1991 we've lost 7 semi finals.
    We played well in spells today but it was like playing with 10 men due to the set up and I aint in the mood to be forgiving.
    We could have won the cup ...win 2 games and it was ours... it was in our own hands ...the league aint...so what the actual **** was Walker AND Davies being saved for?
     
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    Putting to one side the odd team selection, the poor performance from Martin Atkinson etc etc, I am proud to be a Spurs fan tonight. We sang ourselves hoarse to get behind a group who have made enormous progress this season and who dominated the game for at least 65 minutes of the 90. A great game, an entertaining game and there have been occasions over the years when we have rolled over in games like this and got stuffed. We gave our all today, but on this occasion it wasn't quite enough. If we can mentally recover from today, then we'll be fine for the run in to the end of the season.

    COYS
     
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    We haven't been pressing that consistently this season.
    We tend to struggle when we're playing the better sides and we don't have everyone available.
    I don't think that it's even down to personnel, but to Pochettino changing the system and tactics.

    The 3-4-2-1 has suited us best when everyone's fit, especially against the better sides.
    We haven't used it enough and it's abandoned as soon as anyone from the first XI gets injured.
     
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  15. remembercolinlee

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    Great post ... wish I was that positive about the next 6 games...I fear for us...we trooped off looking broken rather than defiant...but maybe that's me transfering how gutted I feel to have lost another fa cup semi final
     
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  16. "Thanks for that Brian"

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    No
    It's been a terrible week. Now is the time for strong resolve and collective determination. We need to win at Palace for many reasons. We lost today because of mistakes, not because we were the lesser team. That is the lesson. Correct those and it's all there for us.
     
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  17. Tilly'sowner

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    Yes, but that extra space is not exactly usable space when calculated in totality. The RB might have to step to the right a metre two more, but he hasn't got to cover an extra 700 square yards!

    The extra space is a misnomer!
     
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  18. SPURSTILIDIE

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    I am fed up with these results in 'away games' against big clubs - look at our results at city , ars, Utd, Chelskie, Everton and Liverpool away from the lane in league and cup over the last 2 and 3 years and they are very average - we just hardly ever win. Tell me when we last made those errors for the first 2 goals and there wasn't enough desire to block the 3rd and 4th shots.
     
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  19. Citizen Kane

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    I had a sinking feeling in my stomach as soon as I saw the line-up. What possessed Poch to gamble like that on such a big occasion is beyond me. The fact that Conte gambled too doesn't justify it either; he is by far the more experienced manager and can boast of a trophy-laden cabinet. Poch cannot. I feel like every time we walk the long, winding road to success, we turn the final corner of the journey and ****ing Chelsea are standing there, gloating. Cannot stand them.

    As others have mentioned, the true measure of this team and its manager will become apparent over the remaining 6 games of the season. Another poster mentioned this point pages and pages ago but it really resonated with me so I think it's worth repeating:

    Back in 2009/10 we suffered an even more disappointing FAC SF defeat against Portsmouth - a 'bottle job' of the highest proportions against a side who were all but relegated by the time we faced them. All and sundry in the media predicted an end-of-season collapse, but it never materialised. We went on to beat Arsenal, Chelsea and City away - only losing at OT between the SF defeat and the win at the Etihad that secured CL football for the first time.

    We have a similarly difficult run-in this time around. I firmly believe that the title is now over and done with - Chelsea will feed off of their win today to see themselves across the finish line. But for me, with a 5 point gap over Liverpool and a game in hand, nothing less than 2nd place will be satisfactory. The fact that we have that gap (7 over City) means that we can actually afford to drop points in 2 of our remaining 6 games and still finish 2nd. But that won't be enough. 89 points is now the target. 6 wins. Let's do this.
     
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    If Atkinson had got the penalty call right the game would have certainly panned out differently. Going in at half-time level and having been dominant for the previous 30 minutes is immensely different to going in at halftime a goal down to a refereeing howler.
     
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