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Off Topic ****s going down in London

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  1. Spook

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    Have you met many? Almost all of the ones I know, myself included, come from working-class backgrounds. The rest of the stuff you said is ridiculous. Capitalism isn't an opt-out system. That's like saying:

    Serfs still obey their lord
    They eat food under the feudal agricultural system
    They live in small huts with their families on the land their lord was given to by the king
    They pay tithes to the Church and taxes to the lord
    They dislike the lord's knights who commit violence against them but 'enable them the freedom to sneer'
    They continue to work under the feudal system they hate

    I guess all those anarchists in Ukraine, Catalonia and Rojava should've laid down and took it from the Tsar, Bolsheviks, Franco, Assad and ISIS. They should be grateful for what they've got. No **** in the military killing Iraqis and Afghanis ever enabled my freedom.
     
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    Boring count.
     
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  3. Fez

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    The police should be armed only where necessary; I'm happy to leave it up to them to assess the needs.

    The police don't punish anyone.

    There has been a SAS response unit in London since the 70s.

    I don't want the military on our streets or in public facing armed duties (other than ceremonial) unless there is an escalation in terrorist activity and they are invited through the civilian police controls and central government.

    Where there is a real will to kill it will happen. Imagine the mayhem if a coordinated attack, such as this, had of been carried out on six bridges, simultaneously.

    Keep It Simple Stupid was an adage, often shortened to KISS, often used in my military years and it would seem the raving lunatics of the world have learnt to embrace it.

    We can only hope they run out of virgins.
     
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  4. WhittlingStick

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    Great post , shame it got lost in the usual willy waving contest
     
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    Slightly shocking... whilst the crowdfunding/ just giving pages for Keith Palmer has reached some £375k the page supporting Aysha Frade the mother walking across the bridge to collect her children from school has only reached £3500.
     
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  6. charon-the-ferryman

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    she didn't choose to put her life at risk, he did and paid the ultimate price - it's also a sad indictment of our society that if she was called Sandra Jones she would have collected much more than someone people perceive as 'foreign' because of her name
     
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    I disagree Fez, every service man has done guard duties. The Guards regiments should do exactly that guard the crown and crown properties. I see no point in having a regular soldier standing outside a royal palace, armed with a rifle, that has ball bearings in the magazine and not bullets.
    The militarisation of police conflicts with the role. I also do not want to see armed police wearing jeans and stab vests. Someone posted that the SAS were on the scene within minutes. Unfortunately, I do not think that they were.
    I also do not think that the use of unarmed Police at the gates of Westminster Palace should change, but I do believe that between the gate and the Palace we should have a military presence of some sort.
     
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    They say you can't put a price on a human life but according to this a police officer's is worth 100x more than the life of a mum collecting her kids from school.
     
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    There are armed security at the Palace, they're just police not military, the guards outside are just a tourist attraction (a significant tourist attraction that should definitely be retained).

    The SAS arrived and ran into the grounds and proceeded to search the Houses of Parliament, it all happened on live TV filmed from a helicopter. There's a team of 40 SAS that are apparently a London based quick response unit, they've been running highly visible training exercises for the past year.

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    You talking about Westminster Palace or Buck Palace?
     
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    That's nonsense, you'd expect more people to be moved to donate to the police officer under these circumstances, but the size of the gap between them is more down to the amount of exposure one has on social media against the other.

    Both.
     
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    Why? His life is worth no more or less than the mum who was run down when she was going to pick her kids up from school. The fact the police officer got more social media exposure surely proves that people care more about his life and his poor family than the lives of the other victims and their poor families. The circumstances for the police officer's family and the mum's family are exactly the same - they both lost a loved one.

    There would be more tourists at Buck Palace if people were actually allowed to go in and look around, like you can do at Versaille, which has more tourists per year.
     
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    you really do talk a load of ****

    and for your info

    https://www.viator.com/London-attractions/Buckingham-Palace-tours-tickets/d737-a84?pref=02
     
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    One was killed in the line of duty, the other was just sadly in the wrong place at the wrong time, you might not be able to see the difference, but others obviously do (it doesn't mean they rate one life more highly than the other).

    You can go in and look around Buckingham Palace, it's open to the pubic from July through to October and it costs £23.
     
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    I don't know if Buckingham Palace is the same, but you can click round inside Versailles on Google maps.
     
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    What's the difference then, if it isn't about rating one life more highly than the other? Keith Palmer joined police force and before that was a soldier, both dangerous professions in which he knew he might not go home to see his family again. Dying in the line of duty was an obvious risk. He could've been killed serving in the army, or just killed by a petty criminal. Instead he was killed by a terrorist arsehole who killed several others.
     
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    God give it a rest fella.
     
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    This
     
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